1 00:00:37,450 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:41,740 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 3 00:00:47,710 --> 00:00:44,410 ride into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:51,990 --> 00:00:47,720 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:55,140 --> 00:00:52,000 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:55,150 ghosts Lost Worlds 7 00:01:01,360 --> 00:00:57,530 cryptozoology waters as well as other 8 00:01:05,170 --> 00:01:01,370 dimensions it's time to take back the 9 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:05,180 night last night now you are 10 00:01:15,650 --> 00:01:07,369 electrifying hosts of exploring the 11 00:01:15,660 --> 00:01:28,889 [Music] 12 00:01:35,919 --> 00:01:32,380 I'm psychic what's going on over there 13 00:01:38,410 --> 00:01:35,929 in the Jasper Indiana that the town of 14 00:01:41,590 --> 00:01:38,420 uh how many thousands of people living 15 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:41,600 Jasper oh not that many probably 16 00:01:48,219 --> 00:01:44,930 probably about 12,000 oh I thought was a 17 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:48,229 huge city no skyscrapers no no no no sky 18 00:01:53,530 --> 00:01:51,530 no skyscrapers it did you know the the 19 00:01:57,399 --> 00:01:53,540 population increases during the daytime 20 00:02:01,420 --> 00:01:57,409 because it's a a pretty pretty large 21 00:02:04,209 --> 00:02:01,430 manufacturing Southern Indiana but you 22 00:02:07,870 --> 00:02:04,219 know the general population what do you 23 00:02:13,030 --> 00:02:07,880 manufacture them oh it mostly wood 24 00:02:16,539 --> 00:02:13,040 products MasterBrand cabinets is the 25 00:02:19,449 --> 00:02:16,549 world's largest kitchen cabinet maker 26 00:02:21,819 --> 00:02:19,459 and it's it's centered here in Jasper 27 00:02:25,150 --> 00:02:21,829 and and then you have like Kimball 28 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:25,160 International which does a lot of office 29 00:02:29,319 --> 00:02:27,170 furnitures as well as various kinds of 30 00:02:30,970 --> 00:02:29,329 electronics and that's just you know 31 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:30,980 that's a couple of the the big 32 00:02:36,009 --> 00:02:33,170 international companies that that are 33 00:02:39,099 --> 00:02:36,019 here well I hope they send me over a 34 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:39,109 kitchen cabinet except they don't have a 35 00:02:45,090 --> 00:02:42,769 kitchen mmm well Jim they take it they 36 00:02:47,259 --> 00:02:45,100 could custom-make one for your kitchen 37 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:47,269 well they would have to do it in 38 00:02:50,289 --> 00:02:48,530 somebody else's apartment because 39 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:50,299 there's no with all these books and 40 00:02:54,550 --> 00:02:51,410 files and stuff 41 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:54,560 though there's no room I I gave up my my 42 00:03:02,560 --> 00:02:58,490 kitchen for a life of ufology many many 43 00:03:04,660 --> 00:03:02,570 years ago but anyway why don't you tell 44 00:03:07,900 --> 00:03:04,670 us what we're going to be discussing 45 00:03:09,460 --> 00:03:07,910 this evening I'm sure our listeners out 46 00:03:13,690 --> 00:03:09,470 there are more interested than our 47 00:03:15,610 --> 00:03:13,700 guests than they are in us and I can 48 00:03:18,310 --> 00:03:15,620 tell that because the donations have not 49 00:03:20,290 --> 00:03:18,320 been coming in like I had planned and if 50 00:03:21,850 --> 00:03:20,300 everybody could please send this ten or 51 00:03:26,170 --> 00:03:21,860 twenty or thirty dollars we would 52 00:03:28,710 --> 00:03:26,180 appreciate it it will go to a good cause 53 00:03:33,370 --> 00:03:28,720 all right guys bring the keg of liquor 54 00:03:36,490 --> 00:03:33,380 there you go that's a great cause yeah I 55 00:03:40,150 --> 00:03:36,500 guess people people know me too well go 56 00:03:41,620 --> 00:03:40,160 ahead shoot the works go for the sky go 57 00:03:43,270 --> 00:03:41,630 for the sky well we've got to a 58 00:03:47,230 --> 00:03:43,280 fantastic guest tonight and I'm real 59 00:03:48,940 --> 00:03:47,240 excited that we finally managed to to 60 00:03:51,490 --> 00:03:48,950 get them here tonight I know that 61 00:03:53,890 --> 00:03:51,500 especially with Denise we've gone back 62 00:03:56,410 --> 00:03:53,900 and forth couple of times trying to get 63 00:04:00,730 --> 00:03:56,420 good date set up but our guests tonight 64 00:04:04,810 --> 00:04:00,740 are a Denise Siegel and Brian Rosenquist 65 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:04,820 I pronounced that right thrown and we'll 66 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:06,410 start with that Denise here now Denise 67 00:04:10,810 --> 00:04:08,450 has been a professional psychic for 68 00:04:13,180 --> 00:04:10,820 thirty years and learned astrology while 69 00:04:16,630 --> 00:04:13,190 working as a psychic and she learned 70 00:04:21,820 --> 00:04:16,640 strategy from colleagues and now early 71 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:21,830 on oh that's all right I was sure that I 72 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:22,970 pronounce your last name correctly 73 00:04:28,930 --> 00:04:26,210 Rosenquist you got it all right well let 74 00:04:31,030 --> 00:04:28,940 me continue on about Denise here now 75 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:31,040 said early on in Denise's career she was 76 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:33,530 named best psychic by the LA Weekly and 77 00:04:41,170 --> 00:04:36,950 she's appeared on coast to coast and REM 78 00:04:44,140 --> 00:04:41,180 TV her blog astrology and psychic 79 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:44,150 predictions was launched in 2008 and 80 00:04:48,420 --> 00:04:45,890 hence have hundreds of thousands of 81 00:04:51,010 --> 00:04:48,430 views every year since its inception 82 00:04:54,010 --> 00:04:51,020 she's had a growing YouTube presence and 83 00:04:55,780 --> 00:04:54,020 has written two books a novel trees from 84 00:04:58,810 --> 00:04:55,790 the forest is based on a series of 85 00:05:00,790 --> 00:04:58,820 visions that she had in the late 1990s 86 00:05:03,909 --> 00:05:00,800 and recently she wrote the e-book 87 00:05:05,290 --> 00:05:03,919 astrology of Donald Trump and the fate 88 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:05,300 of his presidents 89 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:09,289 that's uh fascinating books can be found 90 00:05:17,770 --> 00:05:13,370 on Smashwords Amazon and any online book 91 00:05:19,689 --> 00:05:17,780 retailer hours well at least she moved 92 00:05:22,210 --> 00:05:19,699 from Los Angeles to the Nashville area 93 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:22,220 and she looked for the local MUFON 94 00:05:26,890 --> 00:05:24,530 chapter but found that there wasn't one 95 00:05:29,369 --> 00:05:26,900 so she started one in Middle Tennessee 96 00:05:32,290 --> 00:05:29,379 with the eight eighth of a late any 97 00:05:33,850 --> 00:05:32,300 Middleton and his assistant director in 98 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:33,860 East Tennessee 99 00:05:39,219 --> 00:05:36,050 so now besides being a psychic 100 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:39,229 astrologer a dese is an accomplished 101 00:05:46,029 --> 00:05:42,289 visual artist musician song songwriter 102 00:05:48,969 --> 00:05:46,039 and writer so now we'll go on to a Brian 103 00:05:52,510 --> 00:05:48,979 Rosenquist so now Brian is a filmmaker 104 00:05:55,570 --> 00:05:52,520 animator a stereoscopic 3d photographer 105 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:55,580 Wow writer and special effects artist 106 00:06:00,430 --> 00:05:57,770 and for the last year brian has been 107 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:00,440 filming and editing original 108 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:04,250 stereoscopic 3d video footage for drive 109 00:06:11,379 --> 00:06:06,650 and neon demon director 110 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:11,389 Nicolas Winding let's see how I 111 00:06:18,459 --> 00:06:15,110 pronounce this rest re FN s new website 112 00:06:20,890 --> 00:06:18,469 project by n WR comm all which is 113 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:20,900 available to view for free brian has 114 00:06:26,249 --> 00:06:23,930 also been working for several years on a 115 00:06:29,350 --> 00:06:26,259 documentary feature about the series of 116 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:29,360 Christian exploitation films made by the 117 00:06:36,369 --> 00:06:32,810 prolific exploitation film director Ron 118 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:36,379 Herman yeah yeah and Baptist priest 119 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:40,490 preacher Estes Pirkle that's a good name 120 00:06:44,469 --> 00:06:43,250 in 1970s now brian is also the creator 121 00:06:46,350 --> 00:06:44,479 of a variety of beloved cartoon 122 00:06:50,589 --> 00:06:46,360 characters from the Emmy award-winning 123 00:06:52,869 --> 00:06:50,599 PBS KIDS show biz kids including other 124 00:06:55,390 --> 00:06:52,879 puppy a character that was later ripped 125 00:06:58,209 --> 00:06:55,400 off by the creators of Cartoon Network's 126 00:06:59,860 --> 00:06:58,219 Steven universe so da Brian says he 127 00:07:02,920 --> 00:06:59,870 harbors no absolutely no animosity 128 00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:02,930 towards them though none whatsoever 129 00:07:08,860 --> 00:07:06,529 haha brian has somehow managed to juggle 130 00:07:11,769 --> 00:07:08,870 all these things while also holding down 131 00:07:14,860 --> 00:07:11,779 a Jay table with color by deluxe for 132 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:14,870 more than 10 years so Brian Denise thank 133 00:07:18,490 --> 00:07:16,370 you very much for being with us tonight 134 00:07:21,220 --> 00:07:18,500 unexplored in the bazaar thank you 135 00:07:21,610 --> 00:07:21,230 thank you thank you great well you're 136 00:07:24,190 --> 00:07:21,620 welcome 137 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:24,200 yeah hey you know I think it's and we 138 00:07:30,910 --> 00:07:27,890 should mention the fact that it was due 139 00:07:34,210 --> 00:07:30,920 to Brian that we had the barouche girl 140 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:34,220 ad on a couple of weeks ago yes the Baba 141 00:07:38,170 --> 00:07:35,570 the lady that was a fascinating 142 00:07:41,350 --> 00:07:38,180 interview and it's been one of our top 143 00:07:45,610 --> 00:07:41,360 rated he knows since the broadcast and a 144 00:07:47,350 --> 00:07:45,620 lot of comments and you know III read 145 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:47,360 stuff on the internet I didn't spend all 146 00:07:52,690 --> 00:07:50,330 day uh doing it but somebody's sending 147 00:07:56,350 --> 00:07:52,700 out a posting about five of the greatest 148 00:07:58,750 --> 00:07:56,360 unsolved mysteries of all time and one 149 00:08:00,760 --> 00:07:58,760 of them was who is that lady with the 150 00:08:03,130 --> 00:08:00,770 scarf on her head on the grassy knoll 151 00:08:08,050 --> 00:08:03,140 like why don't you tune in to the 152 00:08:11,020 --> 00:08:08,060 program and and you know and find out 153 00:08:12,970 --> 00:08:11,030 find out I mean it's public and 154 00:08:17,590 --> 00:08:12,980 knowledge now all you got to do is 155 00:08:19,540 --> 00:08:17,600 listen to the episode applying it you 156 00:08:23,710 --> 00:08:19,550 know I actually met you a couple months 157 00:08:26,770 --> 00:08:23,720 ago and we had a nice time together and 158 00:08:29,980 --> 00:08:26,780 I [\h__\h] you know geez we gotta sit down 159 00:08:32,409 --> 00:08:29,990 and discuss some you know some of the 160 00:08:36,490 --> 00:08:32,419 things and that you're you're into you 161 00:08:38,860 --> 00:08:36,500 seem to have a quite a bit of knowledge 162 00:08:41,860 --> 00:08:38,870 now you're basically I mean would you 163 00:08:43,839 --> 00:08:41,870 consider yourself a filmmaker is that 164 00:08:47,500 --> 00:08:43,849 you've worked on a lot of film projects 165 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:47,510 right well yeah I'm I'm a filmmaker but 166 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:49,610 I've got a day job you know I'm not 167 00:08:55,270 --> 00:08:52,910 paying the bills what making yeah well 168 00:09:01,630 --> 00:08:55,280 you will you will you will after this 169 00:09:04,420 --> 00:09:01,640 show oh yeah why did you tell us a 170 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:04,430 little bit about your background I know 171 00:09:15,340 --> 00:09:10,310 you are working on a project now and I'm 172 00:09:18,670 --> 00:09:15,350 familiar with the somewhat with the with 173 00:09:28,870 --> 00:09:18,680 that about discussing mister or well the 174 00:09:30,430 --> 00:09:28,880 Orman brothers right Oh his wife June 175 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:30,440 they were kind of a team you know 176 00:09:34,070 --> 00:09:32,130 they've made all the movies 177 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:34,080 June was in charge distribution I always 178 00:09:37,670 --> 00:09:36,450 thought for some reason I always thought 179 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:37,680 it was his brother 180 00:09:45,580 --> 00:09:42,690 well how stupid of me but my well a 181 00:09:48,890 --> 00:09:45,590 couple of things I remember reading 182 00:09:51,340 --> 00:09:48,900 articles that I believe what was what is 183 00:09:56,090 --> 00:09:51,350 mr. Norman's name is he still with us 184 00:09:59,330 --> 00:09:56,100 Ron or my no he passed away in 1981 his 185 00:10:02,870 --> 00:09:59,340 son is still alive June 11th lived in 186 00:10:07,820 --> 00:10:02,880 India I think until 2006 she was so she 187 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:07,830 was in her mid 90s he usually started 188 00:10:12,020 --> 00:10:08,490 out in vaudeville 189 00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:12,030 he wife we're kind of a vaudeville team 190 00:10:16,100 --> 00:10:13,680 for a while and then they got into 191 00:10:18,020 --> 00:10:16,110 filmmaking because they were friends 192 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:18,030 with all these vaudeville performers and 193 00:10:24,020 --> 00:10:19,410 they just started filming them doing 194 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:24,030 their shows and it was deeper than 195 00:10:28,070 --> 00:10:25,410 sending everybody out on tour cuz they 196 00:10:30,860 --> 00:10:28,080 just send film prints out and that's how 197 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:30,870 they got into really cheap westerns to 198 00:10:38,870 --> 00:10:35,490 start with who are some of the the 199 00:10:41,390 --> 00:10:38,880 people that they they filmed anybody 200 00:10:44,090 --> 00:10:41,400 that we would have known well yeah they 201 00:10:47,060 --> 00:10:44,100 made it fun with Tex Ritter they made a 202 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:47,070 few films with Lashley those were some 203 00:10:51,350 --> 00:10:48,450 of the Western actors who they would 204 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:51,360 have well now you know when I first 205 00:11:00,410 --> 00:10:55,530 heard of him he used to be a contributor 206 00:11:03,530 --> 00:11:00,420 to Ray Palmer's magazines and of course 207 00:11:06,590 --> 00:11:03,540 the Ray Palmer had started out as a 208 00:11:09,050 --> 00:11:06,600 editor of amazing stories and later on 209 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:09,060 he became a co publisher of fate 210 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:13,490 magazine and was probably best known for 211 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:17,730 the shaver mystery and then when Kenneth 212 00:11:25,790 --> 00:11:21,810 Arnold at his first UFO sighting near 213 00:11:28,670 --> 00:11:25,800 Mount Ranier Palmer hired him to 214 00:11:33,260 --> 00:11:28,680 investigate another case in that area 215 00:11:39,110 --> 00:11:33,270 where a UFO supposedly fresh landed over 216 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:39,120 em Maury island and so anyway that was 217 00:11:45,380 --> 00:11:42,450 the that was the beginning of this all 218 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:45,390 is that like I say I do know that he 219 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:45,930 contribute 220 00:11:55,850 --> 00:11:50,250 - Ray Palmer's that publication you know 221 00:11:57,230 --> 00:11:55,860 now I run or mondo he became for some 222 00:11:58,370 --> 00:11:57,240 reason he had the title the West Coast 223 00:12:00,350 --> 00:11:58,380 editor 224 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:00,360 and I don't know you know I guess just 225 00:12:06,470 --> 00:12:03,900 because he was editing his own material 226 00:12:09,050 --> 00:12:06,480 on the well I'm not I'm not sure why he 227 00:12:10,670 --> 00:12:09,060 got that title but he was editing a bit 228 00:12:16,010 --> 00:12:10,680 of material but it I don't think he was 229 00:12:17,780 --> 00:12:16,020 editing very much um but he did while he 230 00:12:20,060 --> 00:12:17,790 was making you know these really cheap 231 00:12:21,140 --> 00:12:20,070 westerns and exploitation movies he he 232 00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:21,150 was doing all kinds of other things he 233 00:12:29,420 --> 00:12:24,480 was pilot um and he was also interested 234 00:12:31,340 --> 00:12:29,430 in mysteries you know he was interested 235 00:12:35,060 --> 00:12:31,350 in flying saucers he was interested in 236 00:12:38,110 --> 00:12:35,070 Eastern mysticism he and a friend of his 237 00:12:44,210 --> 00:12:38,120 a hypnotist Worman mcgill went through 238 00:12:46,820 --> 00:12:44,220 Asia studying Asian mysticism and Asian 239 00:12:49,310 --> 00:12:46,830 just magic practices and they shot a 240 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:49,320 bunch of film while they were there yeah 241 00:12:55,940 --> 00:12:52,770 that was a big interest of his and it 242 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:55,950 kind of tied into later on he got 243 00:12:59,480 --> 00:12:57,330 involved with people like Reinhold 244 00:13:03,320 --> 00:12:59,490 Schmidt he was it was out of that 245 00:13:05,540 --> 00:13:03,330 interest now I remember you you sent me 246 00:13:08,510 --> 00:13:05,550 an article which I I guess I had really 247 00:13:11,330 --> 00:13:08,520 originally read like 20 years ago or 248 00:13:13,430 --> 00:13:11,340 something he interviewed and now it's 249 00:13:15,950 --> 00:13:13,440 wrecked me as we go along here he 250 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:15,960 interviewed a prospector kind of a 251 00:13:23,810 --> 00:13:19,170 hermit type guy who apparently had seen 252 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:23,820 a UFO duty the crash or land and and and 253 00:13:32,570 --> 00:13:27,570 some beings came out of the craft that's 254 00:13:36,020 --> 00:13:32,580 right yeah he was he got I think he just 255 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:36,030 got really hooked at one point he had 256 00:13:40,730 --> 00:13:38,010 dinner with Kenneth Arnold and it sort 257 00:13:43,070 --> 00:13:40,740 of set him off and because he was a 258 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:43,080 pilot he could fly from town to town so 259 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:44,730 he was for a little while flying from 260 00:13:49,340 --> 00:13:46,770 airport to airport asking people about 261 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:49,350 flying saucers if they'd seen him and in 262 00:13:54,820 --> 00:13:50,850 people were just looking at him cockeyed 263 00:13:58,190 --> 00:13:54,830 and then he and wound up somewhere in 264 00:13:59,630 --> 00:13:58,200 Arizona I think and somebody goes well 265 00:14:04,519 --> 00:13:59,640 yeah I know somebody who 266 00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:04,529 singing a little green men so he he got 267 00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:06,510 hooked up with this prospector who 268 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:09,120 claims that he had frequently seen 269 00:14:15,319 --> 00:14:13,130 flying saucers over this one spot and 270 00:14:16,970 --> 00:14:15,329 for some for whatever reason he thought 271 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:16,980 maybe I should go dig for gold in that 272 00:14:22,970 --> 00:14:19,170 spot and he dug around in there and he 273 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:22,980 found this kind of a cave and inside the 274 00:14:29,690 --> 00:14:26,610 cave he found two kind of mummified 275 00:14:32,420 --> 00:14:29,700 beings these little green men he took 276 00:14:34,340 --> 00:14:32,430 one of them back with him and left the 277 00:14:36,350 --> 00:14:34,350 other one in the cave because he thought 278 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:36,360 if if flying saucer people had had 279 00:14:43,310 --> 00:14:40,649 buried these beings down here then he 280 00:14:45,620 --> 00:14:43,320 would really only piss them off 50% if 281 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:45,630 he took one of them rather than you know 282 00:14:49,730 --> 00:14:47,250 he would really piss them off if he took 283 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:49,740 both of them that was that was the 284 00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:52,860 prospectors of idea I guess anyway so 285 00:14:58,730 --> 00:14:56,480 Ronna woman ends up meeting this guy and 286 00:15:01,130 --> 00:14:58,740 for what the guy just gave him this 287 00:15:07,100 --> 00:15:01,140 little green man and it was a it was a 288 00:15:15,050 --> 00:15:07,110 mummified humanoid with an oversized 289 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:15,060 head and kind of big eyes and according 290 00:15:18,439 --> 00:15:16,800 to bran or mine it looked like are you 291 00:15:21,470 --> 00:15:18,449 familiar with the with the Robert 292 00:15:23,810 --> 00:15:21,480 Gardner photo where yeah the really 293 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:23,820 short person standing but between two 294 00:15:29,569 --> 00:15:26,130 unidentified men according to us yes 295 00:15:31,780 --> 00:15:29,579 yeah the idea is suppose an FBI photo 296 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:31,790 but I think it was actually doctored in 297 00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:35,010 Germany because I've seen the originals 298 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:39,660 yeah but Ron Orman said that that this 299 00:15:43,579 --> 00:15:41,970 little green man that he had looks very 300 00:15:46,130 --> 00:15:43,589 much like the like what was in that 301 00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:46,140 photo I can shake monkey or something 302 00:15:52,340 --> 00:15:48,480 almost kind of yeah it's got a weird 303 00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:52,350 face we it doesn't it's in that photo it 304 00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:54,480 didn't seem to have a nose or a mouth it 305 00:16:00,889 --> 00:15:57,839 had this weird sort of a pinched face or 306 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:00,899 something but yeah that was that was a 307 00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:02,610 hoax photo I've seen the originals of 308 00:16:07,730 --> 00:16:05,310 that anyway so Ron Orman I brought this 309 00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:07,740 little green man back with him at that 310 00:16:12,740 --> 00:16:09,420 time he was living in Hollywood and he 311 00:16:13,460 --> 00:16:12,750 would go around to flying saucer 312 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:13,470 conventions 313 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:17,730 a giant rock and show off this little 314 00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:18,930 green man that he had there are no 315 00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:20,190 photos I've been with the little green 316 00:16:24,830 --> 00:16:22,320 men but there's a photo of him carrying 317 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:24,840 the box with a little green man so much 318 00:16:30,170 --> 00:16:27,600 proof that's true absolutely right yeah 319 00:16:32,270 --> 00:16:30,180 Tim Orman has seen it I mean he he grew 320 00:16:34,490 --> 00:16:32,280 up with the little green man and in his 321 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:34,500 dad's office so he he told me that it's 322 00:16:39,860 --> 00:16:38,010 absolutely true his dad had it bunch of 323 00:16:42,970 --> 00:16:39,870 their stuff got destroyed in a flood so 324 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:42,980 including the little green man fairly 325 00:16:49,510 --> 00:16:46,410 okay so now I also had in my collection 326 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:49,520 actually some very bad copies of some 327 00:16:56,930 --> 00:16:54,330 apocalyptic high Christian movies I 328 00:16:59,270 --> 00:16:56,940 don't know that that's the way the the 329 00:17:01,870 --> 00:16:59,280 horsemen of the apocalypse or something 330 00:17:07,630 --> 00:17:01,880 yeah well how did he go from UFOs to 331 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:07,640 this deep fundamentalist fundamentalism 332 00:17:18,110 --> 00:17:12,450 well it was a kind of long process they 333 00:17:19,580 --> 00:17:18,120 were working on some film about Ron and 334 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:19,590 Zhu Norman announced that they were 335 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:21,690 gonna make a movie about the contactees 336 00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:24,210 and I am they were gonna have all these 337 00:17:32,090 --> 00:17:27,120 people in it you know Adamski and men 338 00:17:35,810 --> 00:17:32,100 tassel and Reinhold Schmidt and Angelou 339 00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:35,820 sleep problems all of them yeah yeah ray 340 00:17:39,950 --> 00:17:38,280 and Rex Stanford now I've asked ray 341 00:17:42,260 --> 00:17:39,960 Stanford and he said no he was never 342 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:42,270 asked to be in this movie they went 343 00:17:46,580 --> 00:17:44,610 around collecting money to make this 344 00:17:48,170 --> 00:17:46,590 movie that kept changing titles it was 345 00:17:49,910 --> 00:17:48,180 going to be crusade to new horizons and 346 00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:49,920 it was gonna be project outer space and 347 00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:51,600 then it was gonna be the real flying 348 00:17:55,850 --> 00:17:54,240 saucer story and they you know they had 349 00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:55,860 people donate a dollar here dollar here 350 00:17:59,930 --> 00:17:57,360 at all these conventions so they made 351 00:18:02,660 --> 00:17:59,940 the budget that way you know ten fifteen 352 00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:02,670 thousand dollars and then we don't fund 353 00:18:09,010 --> 00:18:05,520 me right he'll go fund me those and then 354 00:18:11,690 --> 00:18:09,020 I don't know 355 00:18:13,820 --> 00:18:11,700 in an interview Zhu Norman claimed that 356 00:18:16,510 --> 00:18:13,830 Ron woman began to kind of doubt the 357 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:16,520 validity of reinhold Smith's story and 358 00:18:22,430 --> 00:18:20,910 no way after they'd already made after 359 00:18:24,380 --> 00:18:22,440 they'd already made the reinhold Smith 360 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:24,390 you know they they'd already directed a 361 00:18:27,129 --> 00:18:26,010 film based on Reinhold Smith's story 362 00:18:30,769 --> 00:18:27,139 that he 363 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:30,779 I had a copy of that yeah I just 364 00:18:35,239 --> 00:18:33,330 recently saw it you know I'm on how to 365 00:18:37,879 --> 00:18:35,249 copy that she gave to somebody and who 366 00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:37,889 dug it out for me and it's a terrible 367 00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:41,039 movie well I mean come on 368 00:18:47,060 --> 00:18:43,590 what was their budget on the 2007 369 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:47,070 families in my heart $10,000 right horse 370 00:18:52,129 --> 00:18:50,730 mitt covered so he owned the movie and 371 00:18:54,590 --> 00:18:52,139 one of the reasons that you don't find 372 00:18:56,810 --> 00:18:54,600 it anymore is because it somehow came 373 00:19:01,279 --> 00:18:56,820 into the ownership of an Oregon mining 374 00:19:07,369 --> 00:19:01,289 company I I got my copy I think from Dan 375 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:07,379 fries ex-wife who I think later married 376 00:19:16,039 --> 00:19:12,480 Frank strangers yeah she was friends 377 00:19:18,529 --> 00:19:16,049 with G Norman well there you go see my 378 00:19:21,889 --> 00:19:18,539 memory goes back that but I can't find 379 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:21,899 Mike my house keys you know I mean I can 380 00:19:27,859 --> 00:19:23,970 remember all that they say you a UFO 381 00:19:32,810 --> 00:19:27,869 trivia nut that's that's what I am well 382 00:19:34,970 --> 00:19:32,820 okay so tell us so we do be a movie that 383 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:34,980 they never made and do you Norman claims 384 00:19:38,210 --> 00:19:36,450 that they gave all the money back but 385 00:19:41,330 --> 00:19:38,220 it's not possible they could not have 386 00:19:43,850 --> 00:19:41,340 returned every like single dollar to the 387 00:19:46,430 --> 00:19:43,860 thousands of people who talked I I think 388 00:19:50,350 --> 00:19:46,440 they made some money off of the 389 00:19:55,249 --> 00:19:53,779 much more money in Christianity well 390 00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,259 that came later so what happened was 391 00:20:00,980 --> 00:19:57,360 they they decided to leave Hollywood 392 00:20:03,859 --> 00:20:00,990 they moved to Nashville and they set up 393 00:20:05,629 --> 00:20:03,869 a production company there in Nashville 394 00:20:07,940 --> 00:20:05,639 where they were they made movies for ten 395 00:20:11,690 --> 00:20:07,950 years and they were making movies like 396 00:20:15,619 --> 00:20:11,700 please don't touch me and 40-acre feud 397 00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:15,629 and white lightning road girl from 398 00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:19,200 tobacco row they made this movie girl 399 00:20:25,159 --> 00:20:21,480 from tobacco row and they were flying to 400 00:20:28,430 --> 00:20:25,169 a premiere his rotten woman was a pilot 401 00:20:31,519 --> 00:20:28,440 and their son Tim Allen who was 16 or 17 402 00:20:33,769 --> 00:20:31,529 at that time was his co-pilot and they 403 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:33,779 got about a hundred feet up and engine 404 00:20:40,220 --> 00:20:38,369 stalled and they were all certain they 405 00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:40,230 were gonna die the plane started to come 406 00:20:44,540 --> 00:20:41,840 down 407 00:20:47,930 --> 00:20:44,550 there was just no what happened was 408 00:20:50,780 --> 00:20:47,940 there was no oil in the engine so they 409 00:20:53,030 --> 00:20:50,790 were coming down at a bad angle and they 410 00:20:55,910 --> 00:20:53,040 were certain there was no no way they 411 00:20:58,460 --> 00:20:55,920 were gonna survive and then Zhu Norman 412 00:21:03,470 --> 00:20:58,470 who was an amazing woman she was also 413 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:03,480 very colorful she while the plane was 414 00:21:09,650 --> 00:21:06,110 going down in the seconds that it took 415 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:09,660 for it to you know fall a hundred feet 416 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:12,570 she had a conversation she says with an 417 00:21:16,820 --> 00:21:13,890 angel that was sitting on the wing of 418 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:16,830 the plane well it kind of like a pill 419 00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:18,810 shot kind of like a Bill Shatner thing 420 00:21:24,530 --> 00:21:21,720 where he looks up yeah very sorry yeah a 421 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:24,540 very kind of esoteric conversation about 422 00:21:32,620 --> 00:21:26,550 like what is eternity and what is the 423 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:32,630 distance of eternity you know as a 424 00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:36,450 anyway I'll follow up let me get back 425 00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:39,150 yeah oh right yeah we're ready to cut up 426 00:21:44,060 --> 00:21:41,070 cut out for our first uh 427 00:21:47,180 --> 00:21:44,070 break yeah yeah that's right the angel 428 00:21:49,790 --> 00:21:47,190 on the wing of peace here our Studios is 429 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:49,800 calling us saying that it's time to go 430 00:21:54,830 --> 00:21:52,890 to our first break of the evening so 431 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:54,840 when we come back we will continue our 432 00:21:59,870 --> 00:21:56,610 conversation and we'll bring Denise 433 00:22:02,840 --> 00:21:59,880 sequel into the program so stay tuned 434 00:22:14,139 --> 00:22:02,850 for more exploring 435 00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,289 now back to exploring the bazaars with 436 00:22:24,169 --> 00:22:20,880 two of the most electrifying researchers 437 00:22:28,299 --> 00:22:24,179 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 438 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:32,210 and we're back with more exploring the 439 00:22:35,269 --> 00:22:33,570 bizarre and I just want to remind 440 00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:35,279 everyone that if you have questions for 441 00:22:41,149 --> 00:22:38,220 our guests or for Tim Buckley air myself 442 00:22:43,879 --> 00:22:41,159 you know please feel free to let us know 443 00:22:45,889 --> 00:22:43,889 you know go into the chat room you can 444 00:22:47,570 --> 00:22:45,899 Skype us text us all kinds of different 445 00:22:50,659 --> 00:22:47,580 ways we just we just love hearing from 446 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:50,669 you so Tim let's bring a Denise into the 447 00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:53,730 conversation now Denise really happy to 448 00:23:00,200 --> 00:22:55,769 have you with us on exploring the 449 00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:00,210 bizarre now I have to admit that I first 450 00:23:10,220 --> 00:23:04,049 discovered you by seeing your videos on 451 00:23:11,629 --> 00:23:10,230 on YouTube yeah oh yeah yeah that's a 452 00:23:13,970 --> 00:23:11,639 recent thing and it seems like that's 453 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:13,980 how a lot of people have found me so I 454 00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:15,809 think that was a wise move on my part to 455 00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:19,320 start doing that when did you start 456 00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:23,820 putting up things on YouTube about a 457 00:23:28,009 --> 00:23:26,100 year ago a little over a year ago like 458 00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:28,019 in the spring of lush right about a 459 00:23:33,649 --> 00:23:30,539 couple months after Donald Trump became 460 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:33,659 president mm-hmm I started kind of doing 461 00:23:39,529 --> 00:23:36,690 some strategy research on him I was 462 00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,539 everyone I mean I know depending on your 463 00:23:43,730 --> 00:23:41,760 where you're at but I was personally 464 00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:43,740 kind of freaked out a little bit by 465 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:45,240 Donald Trump and I think a lot of people 466 00:23:51,139 --> 00:23:48,480 were so I just heard you know trying to 467 00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:51,149 figure out what was gonna happen with 468 00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:52,500 him and I just felt like it was 469 00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:53,940 something that needed to be shared and 470 00:23:57,019 --> 00:23:55,289 then it seemed like it caught on pretty 471 00:23:59,389 --> 00:23:57,029 quickly I mean I think that first video 472 00:24:01,370 --> 00:23:59,399 ended up getting I haven't looked 473 00:24:03,379 --> 00:24:01,380 recently but it got tens of thousands of 474 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:03,389 hit you know abuse you know Wow 475 00:24:07,940 --> 00:24:06,450 and then I just kept um just putting up 476 00:24:10,060 --> 00:24:07,950 more information whenever I would kind 477 00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:10,070 of discover dig in and try to do some 478 00:24:15,139 --> 00:24:12,600 research and eventually I got so deep 479 00:24:16,399 --> 00:24:15,149 into it that I just felt like it was 480 00:24:18,019 --> 00:24:16,409 getting confusing there's so many 481 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:18,029 players with him there's so many 482 00:24:22,220 --> 00:24:18,690 different 483 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:22,230 coming and going that I ended up to 484 00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:23,640 feeling like I should just write this 485 00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,380 down and put it in a book because it was 486 00:24:28,790 --> 00:24:27,120 like you know I just had handful of the 487 00:24:32,180 --> 00:24:28,800 charts and just trying to figure the 488 00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:32,190 whole thing out it was it's pretty yeah 489 00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:34,440 I was pretty it's a pretty crazy period 490 00:24:42,050 --> 00:24:37,140 of time as you know and just trying to 491 00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:42,060 figure out you know why you know why it 492 00:24:46,780 --> 00:24:44,160 happens and kind of how it happened and 493 00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:46,790 sort of what was actually going to be 494 00:24:51,860 --> 00:24:50,640 the final outcome of it because it just 495 00:24:53,420 --> 00:24:51,870 seems like you know it's sort of 496 00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:53,430 punished our whole country into sort of 497 00:24:57,860 --> 00:24:55,230 a tailspin I think in a lot of ways you 498 00:25:00,250 --> 00:24:57,870 know we went from really it looks very 499 00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:00,260 reactive to it seems like to me to 500 00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:03,510 Barack Obama's you know administration 501 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:05,580 it seems like this is sort of although 502 00:25:09,980 --> 00:25:07,770 of course he wasn't really elected by 503 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:09,990 the popular vote it's still sort of an 504 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:12,450 like a kind of a shadow kind of current 505 00:25:15,740 --> 00:25:13,770 that was sort of running through the 506 00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:15,750 Barack Obama presidency and sort of kind 507 00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:18,480 of came to light I think with Donald 508 00:25:25,340 --> 00:25:20,940 Trump in my opinion and I think it has a 509 00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:25,350 lot to do with what we're as a whole 510 00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:26,700 world are going through it's Neptune 511 00:25:33,650 --> 00:25:31,260 transit and Pisces and Neptune in Pisces 512 00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:33,660 is sort of people clinging to their 513 00:25:39,650 --> 00:25:36,120 beliefs and being easily deluded and 514 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:39,660 confused and sort of a lot of magical 515 00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:42,090 thinking and just a lot of confusion and 516 00:25:51,310 --> 00:25:44,700 sort of stuff happening you know in the 517 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:51,320 shadows and yeah so that's sort of my 518 00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:54,330 Donald Trump himself is a really Iranian 519 00:25:58,790 --> 00:25:56,340 character he's got Sun conjunct Uranus 520 00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:58,800 and everyone around him all of his 521 00:26:01,940 --> 00:26:00,600 cabinet members everything that was 522 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:01,950 close to him hope Hicks and all these 523 00:26:06,050 --> 00:26:04,290 other people that you know we're 524 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:06,060 characters in his administration and are 525 00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:08,250 still around him all have really strong 526 00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:11,520 Iranian aspects to their chart and that 527 00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:14,630 basically means Uranus is rules sort of 528 00:26:20,030 --> 00:26:17,400 revolutionary kind of and it's sort of 529 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:20,040 erratic behavior and kind of people that 530 00:26:26,830 --> 00:26:23,850 you you know change on a dime and it 531 00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:26,840 just seemed to me like there was a 532 00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:29,100 little bit of a coup going on you know 533 00:26:32,490 --> 00:26:31,980 um with the Russians and this and his 534 00:26:36,510 --> 00:26:32,500 whole 535 00:26:37,650 --> 00:26:36,520 thing and you know it was just it just 536 00:26:39,630 --> 00:26:37,660 seemed like there needed to be some 537 00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:39,640 delineation that was kind of coming out 538 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:41,260 of that you know some some kind of 539 00:26:46,170 --> 00:26:42,970 clarity because I felt like there was a 540 00:26:47,670 --> 00:26:46,180 lot of confusion I yeah there were I 541 00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:47,680 noticed there were people that were in 542 00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:49,150 the beginning saying that he was going 543 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:50,620 to be assassinated there was all kinds 544 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:51,970 of weird stuff floating around the 545 00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:53,410 internet you know different psychics 546 00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,270 putting their predictions up but I just 547 00:26:59,550 --> 00:26:58,240 felt like everything was so I don't know 548 00:27:01,800 --> 00:26:59,560 there just didn't think any of that was 549 00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:01,810 gonna happen so I just figured I should 550 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:04,030 just start doing that that's how that 551 00:27:11,610 --> 00:27:08,130 came about let's let's let's go back and 552 00:27:13,140 --> 00:27:11,620 in your biography you said that you know 553 00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:13,150 you'd been a professional psychic for a 554 00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:16,480 number of years I mean was this was 555 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:18,580 something that you know I mean you you 556 00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:20,650 knew when you were a kid you know 557 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:22,270 because you know we've talked to a lot 558 00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,610 of people who you know they'll say yeah 559 00:27:28,290 --> 00:27:26,320 you know when I was a kid you know I 560 00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:28,300 could tell you know I when you know 561 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:30,100 grandma Smith was going to pass away or 562 00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:32,290 you know things like that yeah like that 563 00:27:39,090 --> 00:27:35,110 with you yeah yeah oh yeah absolutely 564 00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,100 yeah I had a lot of them yeah I had a 565 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:41,200 lot of really kind of intense exciting 566 00:27:45,090 --> 00:27:43,570 experiences as a kid I said my father 567 00:27:47,310 --> 00:27:45,100 died when I was a little kid and so I 568 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:47,320 knew about three years before he was 569 00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:49,570 gonna die I knew the time and the place 570 00:27:53,910 --> 00:27:52,030 he was gonna die it was I knew a lot of 571 00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:53,920 stuff that it was it was kind of freaky 572 00:27:58,290 --> 00:27:56,110 and I I think I scared a lot of the 573 00:28:00,360 --> 00:27:58,300 adults in my life because I knew a lot 574 00:28:02,580 --> 00:28:00,370 of stuff they should have known no yeah 575 00:28:04,170 --> 00:28:02,590 I knew pretty much pretty early on that 576 00:28:08,130 --> 00:28:04,180 I was or something kind of weird about 577 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:08,140 me and actually it it kind of came to a 578 00:28:13,230 --> 00:28:11,890 head when I was like um like 1213 sort 579 00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,240 of going through puberty there was a lot 580 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:16,240 of I guess or a poltergeist kind of 581 00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,250 experiences from a lot of weird stuff 582 00:28:23,010 --> 00:28:20,320 going on in my house and strange kind of 583 00:28:26,190 --> 00:28:23,020 occurrences and it all kind of 584 00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:26,200 culminated and um it was kind of scary 585 00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:27,790 it was kind of a scary period of time 586 00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:31,480 because there was so much paranormal 587 00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:33,190 activity in my house and and just my 588 00:28:38,490 --> 00:28:35,340 friends kind of being sucked into it 589 00:28:40,020 --> 00:28:38,500 that I actually kind of sort of being 590 00:28:41,850 --> 00:28:40,030 called a witch at school and stuff like 591 00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:41,860 that you know I it was it was very 592 00:28:46,170 --> 00:28:43,990 stigmatized by it but it was fine you 593 00:28:48,030 --> 00:28:46,180 know if it I I 594 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:48,040 I lost a lot of friends but you know 595 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:50,170 that's part of the being a psychic thing 596 00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:51,610 I think a lot of people were a psychic 597 00:28:56,190 --> 00:28:52,990 and it's sort of uncontrolled when 598 00:28:57,930 --> 00:28:56,200 you're younger you know I couldn't 599 00:29:01,920 --> 00:28:57,940 really I didn't know how to turn it off 600 00:29:03,420 --> 00:29:01,930 you know so I was it was kind of a it 601 00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:03,430 was a weird it was almost like being out 602 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:05,080 of sync with time like I kind of always 603 00:29:08,430 --> 00:29:07,210 knew what was going to happen I'm done I 604 00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:08,440 would answer the phone before it rang 605 00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:10,030 answer people's questions know things 606 00:29:14,730 --> 00:29:12,190 about them that they didn't tell me so 607 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:14,740 it wasn't really a very comfortable 608 00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:16,270 experience for a lot of people to deal 609 00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,420 with me very much so um when I got older 610 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:22,000 my first my first thing to do was really 611 00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:24,370 to sort of train that and kind of make 612 00:29:30,330 --> 00:29:25,960 sure that I could get it under control 613 00:29:32,790 --> 00:29:30,340 because it kind of felt to me like as I 614 00:29:34,830 --> 00:29:32,800 kind of dug into it you know I searched 615 00:29:35,910 --> 00:29:34,840 feeling like sometimes that you know I 616 00:29:37,230 --> 00:29:35,920 don't know if you've ever seen this 617 00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:37,240 happened but if you've ever been on the 618 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:38,200 street and you've seen a schizophrenic 619 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:40,090 person and they just randomly start 620 00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:42,040 telling you things about yourself that 621 00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:44,200 it could never know I kind of realized 622 00:29:49,170 --> 00:29:46,510 that there's sort of like a weird line 623 00:29:51,540 --> 00:29:49,180 between psychics and schizophrenic oh 624 00:29:53,610 --> 00:29:51,550 yeah I was really afraid I was going to 625 00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:53,620 cross that line at a certain point in my 626 00:29:58,170 --> 00:29:56,200 life and so I kind of pulled myself back 627 00:30:00,570 --> 00:29:58,180 from the precipice of that and and then 628 00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:00,580 I kind of I dug in and started sort of 629 00:30:05,370 --> 00:30:02,830 training it and kind of learning to turn 630 00:30:07,710 --> 00:30:05,380 it off and kind of control it and get 631 00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:07,720 how do you how do you do that how do you 632 00:30:13,890 --> 00:30:12,520 how do you train yourself well I'll be 633 00:30:20,010 --> 00:30:13,900 there you know there's there's not a 634 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:20,020 college course out there for you no no 635 00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:22,450 and especially back then I mean I was I 636 00:30:27,420 --> 00:30:25,150 really want first I started kind of 637 00:30:31,170 --> 00:30:27,430 meditating I started meditating probably 638 00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:31,180 around 12 or 13 I found a book on TM 639 00:30:34,890 --> 00:30:33,550 which probably wasn't really good it 640 00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:34,900 probably made it worse for a little 641 00:30:38,910 --> 00:30:37,600 while because I was kind of young and I 642 00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:38,920 didn't really know what I was doing and 643 00:30:46,830 --> 00:30:42,040 then I just started reading books and 644 00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:46,840 kind of that kind of brought me to Wicca 645 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:49,960 so I became I got involved in a coven 646 00:30:57,900 --> 00:30:53,290 when I was in college and I was a Celtic 647 00:31:00,300 --> 00:30:57,910 based coven and um and I trained under a 648 00:31:02,190 --> 00:31:00,310 priestess and and then I got involved 649 00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:02,200 than ceremonial magic as well and I 650 00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:06,070 trained with a ceremonial magician so I 651 00:31:09,690 --> 00:31:08,140 did a lot of you know at the time there 652 00:31:12,210 --> 00:31:09,700 wasn't it was sort of I went old school 653 00:31:14,670 --> 00:31:12,220 rather than new age because I did that 654 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:14,680 was sort of what was available and also 655 00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:16,570 I felt like it had more deeper roots 656 00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:18,670 kind of system than some of the new age 657 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:20,200 kind of stuff that I was reading it felt 658 00:31:24,660 --> 00:31:22,090 like it was kind of a little fluffy and 659 00:31:26,130 --> 00:31:24,670 and I really wanted to know kind of so 660 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:26,140 that's how I trained myself really and 661 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:27,850 that's kind of where my training is and 662 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:30,010 it's sort of that and then I you know 663 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:32,110 use the turo and that kind of focused 664 00:31:35,730 --> 00:31:33,850 you and then I learned a serology and 665 00:31:37,950 --> 00:31:35,740 all those tools kind of give it a place 666 00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:37,960 to kind of focus so that you're not just 667 00:31:42,420 --> 00:31:40,720 picking stuff up and and then just years 668 00:31:44,460 --> 00:31:42,430 of writing in journals and trying to 669 00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:44,470 figure out your symbols that you kind of 670 00:31:49,950 --> 00:31:46,980 get when different things happen or 671 00:31:51,690 --> 00:31:49,960 writing dreams down and all that stuff's 672 00:31:53,910 --> 00:31:51,700 just sort of a lot of introspection and 673 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:53,920 kind of sorting through your stuff you 674 00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,530 know what psychological what's spiritual 675 00:32:05,250 --> 00:31:58,720 and what you know if not you and what's 676 00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:05,260 you woody or was that that you guided 677 00:32:15,980 --> 00:32:08,940 the Wiccan I mean about what what is 678 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:15,990 like 1985 till yeah in the 80s and then 679 00:32:24,930 --> 00:32:19,450 and then I was standing ceremonial magic 680 00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:24,940 in the 90s early 90s so yeah because I 681 00:32:29,850 --> 00:32:28,000 am I will be anyway that would be the 682 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:29,860 Wicca the witchcraft saying kind of 683 00:32:36,570 --> 00:32:33,490 started I guess in the towards the late 684 00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:36,580 60s here in New York I mean great there 685 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:39,910 were yeah quite a bit of activity we had 686 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:42,250 our own New York school of occult Arts 687 00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,450 and Sciences we did some quicker type of 688 00:32:51,210 --> 00:32:49,120 things but there was the Warlock shop 689 00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:51,220 and there were a couple other the 690 00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:53,980 process at church which nobody did you 691 00:33:03,480 --> 00:32:56,860 ever meet Simon did you see who he was 692 00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:03,490 at the time so yes Simon yes no it was 693 00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:06,070 kind of a hard - well Simon that was the 694 00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:10,750 what Necronomicon right yeah I I hate to 695 00:33:14,050 --> 00:33:12,760 tell you well that's another story it's 696 00:33:16,750 --> 00:33:14,060 bogus 697 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:16,760 yeah yeah well no I know the 698 00:33:25,780 --> 00:33:20,930 Necronomicon is I meant you know yes was 699 00:33:28,270 --> 00:33:25,790 Simon Peter lavinda no okay short now as 700 00:33:30,510 --> 00:33:28,280 far as I know no his that assignment is 701 00:33:33,340 --> 00:33:30,520 actually I think his last name was 702 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:33,350 Barnes but I can't remember exactly he 703 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:39,290 also was responsible for faking a a what 704 00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:42,050 would you call it a you know the alien 705 00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:45,340 autopsy alien well he had a an alien 706 00:33:51,730 --> 00:33:47,860 that was supposed to be found under the 707 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:51,740 Empire State Building it was on the 708 00:33:57,310 --> 00:33:54,530 cover of official UFO magazine and 709 00:33:59,920 --> 00:33:57,320 people thought it was real well I saw it 710 00:34:03,220 --> 00:33:59,930 when he brought it into the autograph or 711 00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:03,230 to the office there at the country wife 712 00:34:09,730 --> 00:34:06,640 and no I I wouldn't accept anything as 713 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:09,740 being legitimate but the book is still 714 00:34:17,980 --> 00:34:14,090 on sale I mean metric on its and people 715 00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:17,990 still and that's what it is but so I'm 716 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:20,080 sorry didn't mean to interrupt there but 717 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:23,090 yeah I mean you know there are all kinds 718 00:34:28,330 --> 00:34:26,290 of stories and fallacies and things that 719 00:34:31,899 --> 00:34:28,340 about things that go bump in the night 720 00:34:35,290 --> 00:34:31,909 you know so you got a watch I know I 721 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:35,300 understand yeah yes I understand though 722 00:34:41,860 --> 00:34:37,490 - did he say yeah you you did have some 723 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:41,870 involvement and with UFOs yeah yes I did 724 00:34:47,139 --> 00:34:45,050 actually I I've had a lot of sightings 725 00:34:51,820 --> 00:34:47,149 actually and that's kind of how I got 726 00:34:53,820 --> 00:34:51,830 involved in MUFON was oh I don't think 727 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:53,830 we've mentioned that at the beginning 728 00:35:01,210 --> 00:34:58,370 yeah so I um I saw my I mean the first 729 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:01,220 one I remember really seeing like was 730 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:03,410 when I was 10 years old and my birthday 731 00:35:10,030 --> 00:35:04,880 and birthday party with a bunch of other 732 00:35:12,430 --> 00:35:10,040 girls but I have seen them many times in 733 00:35:14,350 --> 00:35:12,440 my life and I really didn't I had some 734 00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:14,360 missing time experiences and some other 735 00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,990 like sped up time experiences I didn't 736 00:35:22,180 --> 00:35:19,760 really put all of it together as being 737 00:35:24,070 --> 00:35:22,190 that they were all sort of in a kind of 738 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:24,080 universe of there were all like high 739 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:25,610 strangeness kind of things which I 740 00:35:27,940 --> 00:35:27,530 really didn't know that much about until 741 00:35:29,890 --> 00:35:27,950 I got 742 00:35:31,060 --> 00:35:29,900 kind of more involved with other people 743 00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:31,070 who told you know kind of put it 744 00:35:34,570 --> 00:35:32,660 together for me the missing time stuff 745 00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,580 and all that stuff I got a book about 746 00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:37,040 that when I was like yeah it was in Budd 747 00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:38,510 Hopkins put the book out I had been 748 00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:40,040 talking about this missing time extreme 749 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:41,990 you so everyone that I knew because it 750 00:35:48,430 --> 00:35:44,330 was so weird I was with a friend of mine 751 00:35:50,380 --> 00:35:48,440 and we were driving from CalArts where I 752 00:35:53,290 --> 00:35:50,390 went to school to her school with 753 00:35:57,850 --> 00:35:53,300 Spitzer and it's about an hour an hour 754 00:35:59,740 --> 00:35:57,860 house drive and we laughter those are 755 00:36:04,990 --> 00:35:59,750 such big towns I don't even know where 756 00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:05,000 we are in California yeah yeah yeah Cal 757 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:07,070 Keller says is in Valencia California 758 00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:12,530 and Pitzer is kind of like out sort of 759 00:36:17,590 --> 00:36:15,680 towards Riverside County kind of I think 760 00:36:20,590 --> 00:36:17,600 but it's not quite there it's in LA 761 00:36:24,330 --> 00:36:20,600 County it's about an hour and a half 762 00:36:27,460 --> 00:36:24,340 from CalArts by you know if you drive it 763 00:36:30,190 --> 00:36:27,470 but we we left around 4 o'clock in the 764 00:36:31,420 --> 00:36:30,200 afternoon it was like late August and we 765 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:31,430 didn't get there til the Sun was setting 766 00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:34,370 and it was really weird all of a sudden 767 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:35,870 you know we were just sort of like in 768 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:37,730 this weird dazed kind of state and it 769 00:36:43,170 --> 00:36:39,530 was we had like three hours of missing 770 00:36:46,210 --> 00:36:43,180 time and my friend was completely 771 00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:46,220 completely freaking out she was talking 772 00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:48,800 about people touching her and she lost 773 00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:51,350 her like minds basically right after 774 00:37:00,610 --> 00:36:54,910 this experience and was completely just 775 00:37:02,050 --> 00:37:00,620 just acting crazy and we pulled off the 776 00:37:04,210 --> 00:37:02,060 side of the road and had something to 777 00:37:05,740 --> 00:37:04,220 you was just like crawling like she was 778 00:37:10,990 --> 00:37:05,750 just like couldn't keep still and was 779 00:37:13,540 --> 00:37:11,000 really upset and I did you know for me 780 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:13,550 it wasn't really I wasn't really freaked 781 00:37:17,620 --> 00:37:15,290 out by it I mean I had had so many 782 00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,630 experiences that were so weird my entire 783 00:37:22,210 --> 00:37:19,520 life that for me it was just oh it's 784 00:37:23,860 --> 00:37:22,220 just one more weird thing and it wasn't 785 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:23,870 until I was older and trying to figure 786 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:25,970 it out like a couple years later it 787 00:37:30,670 --> 00:37:28,090 wasn't really that much older but um 788 00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:30,680 that I was somebody gave me that book 789 00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:33,260 and I couldn't read it it was too it was 790 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:35,060 freaking me out too much but I I was 791 00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:38,810 dragged to a UFO conference and I met 792 00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:41,400 actually a von Smith who is a research 793 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:44,040 does a lot of you know regression stuff 794 00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,650 and talk to her about it and she said 795 00:37:49,610 --> 00:37:48,000 well can you get your friend in there 796 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:49,620 and that might talk to my friend my 797 00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:51,090 friend was like there's no way I want to 798 00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:52,830 remember that if I don't remember it 799 00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:56,520 then there's a good reason for that you 800 00:37:59,480 --> 00:37:58,260 know and I kind of thought about it I 801 00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,490 was like you know what maybe she's right 802 00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:01,680 about that so I put it away for a while 803 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:04,110 and I kept having experiences so you 804 00:38:08,810 --> 00:38:06,650 know right before we moved from 805 00:38:12,350 --> 00:38:08,820 Nashville off Angeles in Nashville here 806 00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:12,360 I had a bunch of it sightings and a 807 00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:14,880 bunch of experiences and one of the 808 00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:17,220 things I did report to move on one of 809 00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,710 the things that I reported was a 810 00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,880 triangular-shaped craft that was sort of 811 00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,560 see-through that was like over this 812 00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:25,440 grocery store in my neighborhood it was 813 00:38:30,380 --> 00:38:28,470 in the middle of the day and I got a 814 00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:30,390 call from MUFON which is really unusual 815 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:32,280 because I'd record a lot of things to 816 00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:34,650 move on over the years they never really 817 00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,150 call you because there's there 818 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:38,400 overwhelms of cases in California 819 00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:41,370 there's so many sightings there and he 820 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:43,020 said you know you might want to talk to 821 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:44,490 a bunch Mitch this which was really 822 00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,290 weird because I was thinking I wanted to 823 00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:47,760 talk to her before I moved because I 824 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:49,110 didn't know there being you know what 825 00:38:52,070 --> 00:38:50,610 the situation would be here in Nashville 826 00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,080 in terms of ever trying to do any 827 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:54,000 regression or you know I've been 828 00:38:57,020 --> 00:38:55,410 thinking like maybe I should find out 829 00:38:58,850 --> 00:38:57,030 what really happened during some of 830 00:39:00,680 --> 00:38:58,860 these experiences that I know I had but 831 00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:00,690 I don't remember everything about it and 832 00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:03,480 he put me back in touch with her and Tom 833 00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:05,640 told me that there was only one other 834 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:07,800 person who had seen that that day and it 835 00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,050 was also another experience or somebody 836 00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,000 who had had a lifelong kind of 837 00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:14,400 connection with UFOs and had had you 838 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:16,200 know within a group with her and all the 839 00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:19,170 stuff so I did some regressions with her 840 00:39:24,350 --> 00:39:22,200 but before I moved here and then I moved 841 00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:24,360 here and there was no MUFON group here 842 00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:27,120 so that's why I started one was kind of 843 00:39:31,220 --> 00:39:28,740 like to kind of continue on with that 844 00:39:34,070 --> 00:39:31,230 Tenace kind of digging into what 845 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:34,080 happened I mean I for me it was really 846 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:35,970 not about I mean I think a lot of the 847 00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:38,010 UFO experience is sort of a very 848 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:39,780 connected to the shamanic experience 849 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:41,910 there very weird experiences they're 850 00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:44,250 very kind of I think they're so bizarre 851 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:45,720 and otherworldly that people can't 852 00:39:50,030 --> 00:39:47,850 really process them and I don't know if 853 00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:50,040 we even remember them exactly how they 854 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:52,680 really were because there's no context 855 00:39:55,980 --> 00:39:54,010 to put them in and I think 856 00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:55,990 I've had a lot of experiences with other 857 00:40:01,290 --> 00:39:59,680 people and in those experiences you know 858 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:01,300 I go back and talk to a couple of these 859 00:40:07,260 --> 00:40:02,890 you know a lot of these people are my 860 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:07,270 friends and often they either don't 861 00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:08,890 really remember they remember kind of 862 00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:11,200 vaguely you know years later or they 863 00:40:14,820 --> 00:40:12,550 remember it but they've kind of put it 864 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:14,830 in a like closet somewhere in their 865 00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:16,210 brain and they kind of don't think about 866 00:40:18,990 --> 00:40:16,960 it anymore 867 00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:19,000 because they usually have only had like 868 00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:20,560 maybe one experience or something and 869 00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:22,150 they just kind of that's a blip on their 870 00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:23,740 radar or something strange that happens 871 00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:25,480 so for me it was sort of trying to 872 00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:27,820 figure out what the commonality was for 873 00:40:31,050 --> 00:40:29,350 why I kept experiencing all these 874 00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:31,060 strange things throughout my life so I 875 00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:32,470 don't really have an answer for that 876 00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:34,900 it's one of these great mysteries but I 877 00:40:39,210 --> 00:40:36,790 do think there's like there does seem to 878 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:39,220 be a certain type of person that has 879 00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:40,810 these types of experiences throughout 880 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:42,760 their life and I have started doing some 881 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:44,410 astrological research on that just 882 00:40:49,290 --> 00:40:46,810 trying to like find out what is in 883 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:49,300 people's charts that have those kind of 884 00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:51,730 recurring experiences with these bizarre 885 00:40:56,190 --> 00:40:54,400 kind of phenomenon I mean I'm not even 886 00:40:59,340 --> 00:40:56,200 sure all of the experiences I had were 887 00:41:02,340 --> 00:40:59,350 necessarily what they were you know some 888 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:02,350 of them like when I was a 12 13 your age 889 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:04,810 I was having I was finding myself 890 00:41:09,870 --> 00:41:06,970 outside of my house and my pajamas and 891 00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:09,880 stuff um you know trying to get back in 892 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:12,190 my house you know there was stuff coming 893 00:41:15,150 --> 00:41:13,510 into my room trying to pull me out of my 894 00:41:17,609 --> 00:41:15,160 body there was a lot of really weird 895 00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:17,619 stuff going on and I've had experiences 896 00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:20,740 like that throughout my lifetime but 897 00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,510 it's not all the time there seems to be 898 00:41:26,010 --> 00:41:24,400 cycles of it where it's really intensive 899 00:41:29,790 --> 00:41:26,020 and right before I moved here there was 900 00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:29,800 another intensive period where like for 901 00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:31,630 example I paint so I was in my studio 902 00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:34,150 making a painting and I know physically 903 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:35,560 how long it takes to make a painting 904 00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,330 I've been I've been doing it like since 905 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:40,240 I was like 13 or 14 years old and at 906 00:41:44,849 --> 00:41:43,510 that time I was in my 40s so you know 907 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:44,859 I'd be working I'd be thinking what's 908 00:41:50,070 --> 00:41:47,410 like an hour gone by because I had made 909 00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:50,080 the painting and I'd look at my watch 910 00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:51,609 and only be like three minutes it passed 911 00:41:56,130 --> 00:41:54,220 and I'm a count that even possible you 912 00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:56,140 know it didn't make any sense and I had 913 00:41:59,609 --> 00:41:58,210 never heard of in the UFO phenomena at 914 00:42:01,680 --> 00:41:59,619 that time because again I wasn't 915 00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:01,690 researching it I just was experiencing 916 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:03,400 these things but as I came here and 917 00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,570 became really involved in MUFON I 918 00:42:07,830 --> 00:42:06,400 realized that is one of the symptoms or 919 00:42:11,250 --> 00:42:07,840 one of the things that a lot of it 920 00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:11,260 answers have is not just missing time 921 00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:13,780 but accelerated time and that I don't 922 00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:17,110 really understand exactly so there's a 923 00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:19,630 lot of unanswered questions in that I 924 00:42:23,580 --> 00:42:21,820 mean I'm pretty rational logical person 925 00:42:26,070 --> 00:42:23,590 so I don't really talk about a lot of 926 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:26,080 these occurrences publicly because you 927 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:27,730 know I'm already weird enough as it is 928 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:31,330 being a psychic so uh but I thought you 929 00:42:34,410 --> 00:42:33,010 know this would be a good place to talk 930 00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,420 about that with you guys because I know 931 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:35,920 you guys are kind of interested in that 932 00:42:39,810 --> 00:42:38,050 as well as you know you know I know 933 00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:39,820 you're both kind of fascinated by that 934 00:42:45,180 --> 00:42:42,310 without you 935 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:45,190 Denise you say that you know these these 936 00:42:50,190 --> 00:42:47,290 experiences a time you know run in 937 00:42:56,730 --> 00:42:50,200 cycles do you think that these cycles 938 00:42:58,380 --> 00:42:56,740 are internal or external that's a good I 939 00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,390 think you know what they're kind of I 940 00:43:02,460 --> 00:43:00,160 think they may be kind of internal 941 00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:02,470 because big periods of time I think 942 00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:04,150 they're both I mean I think some of them 943 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:06,040 are I feel like the things that happened 944 00:43:10,350 --> 00:43:08,170 to me when I was a child we're sort of 945 00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,360 setting me up to sort of be kind of 946 00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:12,400 conditioned to deal with them and I 947 00:43:18,450 --> 00:43:15,640 think they're I have my serious about 948 00:43:19,860 --> 00:43:18,460 why that is but they definitely 949 00:43:21,870 --> 00:43:19,870 intensified around the time of puberty 950 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:21,880 which I know is a period of time where 951 00:43:25,830 --> 00:43:24,370 that kind of thing happens a lot you 952 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:25,840 know your body's changing your hormones 953 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:28,530 are shifting and then they happened 954 00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:31,570 about it really intensified right before 955 00:43:36,510 --> 00:43:33,250 I got pregnant with my daughter and then 956 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:36,520 I ended up right after she was born it 957 00:43:42,420 --> 00:43:38,290 intensified so it was from that period 958 00:43:45,690 --> 00:43:42,430 right before till after and the it 959 00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,700 wasn't just the UFOs there was all kinds 960 00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:47,440 of other weird stuff going on besides 961 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:50,110 the acceleration of time there was my 962 00:43:54,180 --> 00:43:52,090 father who died when I was 10 963 00:43:55,710 --> 00:43:54,190 started appearing to me and my I mean 964 00:43:57,540 --> 00:43:55,720 I'm not really I was never really 965 00:43:59,700 --> 00:43:57,550 somebody who saw ghosts really I mean I 966 00:44:02,670 --> 00:43:59,710 was psychic but wasn't really my thing 967 00:44:07,020 --> 00:44:02,680 but that started happening really 968 00:44:09,330 --> 00:44:07,030 intensely and it was it was like a 969 00:44:12,510 --> 00:44:09,340 period of time where like again like a 970 00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:12,520 weird like almost like a vibrational 971 00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,990 shift or something like that that 972 00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:15,280 happened to me during these periods of 973 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:17,500 time and then it sort of settles down in 974 00:44:21,690 --> 00:44:19,810 you're kind of kind of normalized again 975 00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:21,700 and then it kind of starts up 976 00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:23,860 so I don't know exactly I mean I think 977 00:44:28,590 --> 00:44:26,110 it's interesting that it correspondent 978 00:44:31,020 --> 00:44:28,600 with you know my puberty and then with 979 00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:31,030 her right before she was born so I I 980 00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:35,280 don't know I mean anyway I asked her 981 00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:37,060 astrologically could it have something 982 00:44:42,540 --> 00:44:40,480 to do with it I did actually look at a 983 00:44:44,580 --> 00:44:42,550 chart with um actually at my entire 984 00:44:46,890 --> 00:44:44,590 family me and my husband and my daughter 985 00:44:50,010 --> 00:44:46,900 also I saw you up well in January 1st 986 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:50,020 this year driving home from some friends 987 00:44:55,410 --> 00:44:52,930 having coffee with them right in our 988 00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:55,420 town and I did look at that chart of 989 00:45:00,360 --> 00:44:58,330 that day and actually there was stuff 990 00:45:02,130 --> 00:45:00,370 going on in everyone's chart that day 991 00:45:03,930 --> 00:45:02,140 that kind of indicated there would be 992 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:03,940 some kind of unusual thing I think it's 993 00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:06,370 like when there's a Uranus or Pluto 994 00:45:13,290 --> 00:45:08,500 aspect that's really strong if you have 995 00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,300 that kind of I think it's that what I've 996 00:45:17,370 --> 00:45:15,280 seen is that there's often a uranus 997 00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:17,380 pluto thing going on and people who have 998 00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:19,150 our experiences there seems to be like a 999 00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:20,920 conjunction and then there's like an 1000 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:23,380 opposition there's a really strong kind 1001 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:26,650 of planetary placements of those planets 1002 00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:30,490 and i think when those things are 1003 00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:32,350 triggered by different planetary things 1004 00:45:36,210 --> 00:45:34,270 i think that's possibly one of the 1005 00:45:39,660 --> 00:45:36,220 things i don't know because these things 1006 00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:39,670 are so strange that i have to really 1007 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:41,470 kind of do more research astrologically 1008 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:43,210 to see if there's how much of a 1009 00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:44,770 correspondence there really is because 1010 00:45:50,490 --> 00:45:47,380 obviously you know for example I was 1011 00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:50,500 born on February 9th 1967 and my best 1012 00:45:53,460 --> 00:45:51,910 friend during the period of time when I 1013 00:45:55,020 --> 00:45:53,470 was having all these strange experiences 1014 00:45:56,580 --> 00:45:55,030 was actually born on my same exact 1015 00:45:59,850 --> 00:45:56,590 birthday which is really weird the same 1016 00:46:03,450 --> 00:45:59,860 year and I was having these experiences 1017 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:03,460 she was not so that's you know what I 1018 00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:03,850 mean 1019 00:46:08,070 --> 00:46:05,950 if it's astrology if it's just about 1020 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:08,080 your birth chart even though it should 1021 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:10,450 have she was involved in it she was 1022 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:12,250 right Lise I'm gonna have to interrupt 1023 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:14,170 you here because we have to go to our 1024 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:16,090 top of the hour break when we come back 1025 00:46:36,839 --> 00:46:34,180 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 1026 00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:36,849 ride into the world of the paranoid 1027 00:46:44,430 --> 00:46:40,160 strap yourself in as we traverse the 1028 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:44,440 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 1029 00:46:53,049 --> 00:46:48,890 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters 1030 00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:53,059 as well as other dimensions it's time to 1031 00:46:59,799 --> 00:46:57,440 take back the night last night now you 1032 00:47:06,870 --> 00:46:59,809 are electrifying hosts of exploring the 1033 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:10,150 I've always wondered what are we gonna 1034 00:47:16,780 --> 00:47:12,170 do do it tonight since we've taken it 1035 00:47:18,930 --> 00:47:16,790 back we have to we have to share it 1036 00:47:23,250 --> 00:47:18,940 equally with everyone 1037 00:47:26,109 --> 00:47:23,260 not another not another podcast 1038 00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:26,119 well no see we're sharing the night with 1039 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:28,630 everyone with exploring the bizarre I 1040 00:47:40,690 --> 00:47:34,690 know I know I understand fully okay well 1041 00:47:43,180 --> 00:47:40,700 let's get back into our very trance pace 1042 00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,190 that conversation I'm thus able to a 1043 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:46,160 very excellent I guess you know they're 1044 00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:48,410 really know their subject and they're 1045 00:47:55,630 --> 00:47:50,750 certainly educating and entertaining 1046 00:47:58,750 --> 00:47:55,640 than me now Brian okay wait we did where 1047 00:48:00,430 --> 00:47:58,760 did where did we leave off we left off 1048 00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:00,440 with this airplane crashing out of the 1049 00:48:04,420 --> 00:48:03,140 sky and June or mind having a commerce 1050 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:04,430 that's done with an angel on the wing 1051 00:48:15,370 --> 00:48:12,890 and really existential conversation and 1052 00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,380 then just before the plane hits this 1053 00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:17,359 angel says to June or month but you're 1054 00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:19,910 not gonna die they smashed into the 1055 00:48:24,789 --> 00:48:22,640 ground they kind of came in and a weird 1056 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:24,799 angle and they caught a fence which sort 1057 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:28,250 of slowed the plane and it it it 1058 00:48:33,819 --> 00:48:29,690 basically saved their lives but also 1059 00:48:35,950 --> 00:48:33,829 rano Armand had been a flight trainer 1060 00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:35,960 during World War two so he he knew what 1061 00:48:41,289 --> 00:48:39,230 to do when when a plane was crashing but 1062 00:48:42,970 --> 00:48:41,299 they were certain dollar they all 1063 00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:42,980 survived this this crash 1064 00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,369 and as a result they felt that that God 1065 00:48:54,010 --> 00:48:50,720 you know because of this conversation 1066 00:48:57,490 --> 00:48:54,020 the Gina Lomond it had they felt that 1067 00:49:00,700 --> 00:48:57,500 God was calling them to to become 1068 00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:00,710 born-again and okay well now they went 1069 00:49:06,550 --> 00:49:04,880 from producing you say exploitation 1070 00:49:08,829 --> 00:49:06,560 movies what what were some of the 1071 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:08,839 exploitation films that they had that 1072 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:12,290 they did I know that one of my favorites 1073 00:49:18,099 --> 00:49:15,290 is wild women of Wango that was one of 1074 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:18,109 the films that the Urban's made and it's 1075 00:49:23,319 --> 00:49:20,570 when I have somebody else made wild 1076 00:49:25,210 --> 00:49:23,329 women have long ago oh okay yeah but 1077 00:49:26,650 --> 00:49:25,220 that might have been made by tráfico Ron 1078 00:49:28,930 --> 00:49:26,660 Norman was making movies for traffic 1079 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:28,940 over one I think tráfico was the studio 1080 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:31,130 that produced Mason lost women 1081 00:49:37,540 --> 00:49:33,290 Mason was but I'm sorry that's the one 1082 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:37,550 that I was thinking out there I love all 1083 00:49:48,550 --> 00:49:44,810 those lost women types of movies have 1084 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:48,560 you seen that movie Bride of the Beast 1085 00:49:53,710 --> 00:49:52,010 where the you know the couple like are 1086 00:49:56,349 --> 00:49:53,720 living in the jungle and this lady 1087 00:50:00,280 --> 00:49:56,359 begins to become infatuated with a white 1088 00:50:01,870 --> 00:50:00,290 gorilla I might be mixing up movies but 1089 00:50:04,809 --> 00:50:01,880 there's one where this woman runs off 1090 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:04,819 with a gorilla suit basically mom like 1091 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:06,290 you think she's gonna wind up with the 1092 00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:08,569 guy at the Embassy winds up with with 1093 00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,040 the gorilla and happy ending that that 1094 00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:15,440 film was that film was written by Ed 1095 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:18,230 Wood and he borrowed the gorilla suit 1096 00:50:23,050 --> 00:50:20,450 from Ron and Jew Norman and he never 1097 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:23,060 returned it to them so June Ormonde held 1098 00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:24,890 a grudge against him for the rest of her 1099 00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:26,990 life she would she refused to go see 1100 00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:29,089 that Tim Burton movie had wood because 1101 00:50:34,690 --> 00:50:31,040 she was so angry that he'd stolen their 1102 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:34,700 gorilla suit well that can't really yeah 1103 00:50:39,460 --> 00:50:36,890 that couldn't have been you know I could 1104 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:39,470 like cheap high me there you know I mean 1105 00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:41,930 it went wasn't the best gorilla suit out 1106 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:43,609 there but still I mean a full body 1107 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:45,890 gorilla suit back then you know that had 1108 00:50:50,530 --> 00:50:48,170 to have cost them some money probably so 1109 00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,540 yeah what was that it was that they're 1110 00:50:56,089 --> 00:50:52,880 really in the other year Peterson a 1111 00:50:59,180 --> 00:50:56,099 Bigfoot film their honor 1112 00:51:00,380 --> 00:50:59,190 the one that the Planet of the Apes guy 1113 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:00,390 uh made 1114 00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:04,650 oh yes John Chambers or somebody okay 1115 00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:08,640 what were some of the other titles well 1116 00:51:14,180 --> 00:51:11,609 anyway the Wow the Orman's you know they 1117 00:51:15,529 --> 00:51:14,190 they they stopped making exploitation 1118 00:51:17,479 --> 00:51:15,539 movies after they made one last 1119 00:51:19,939 --> 00:51:17,489 exploitation movie which was the kind of 1120 00:51:21,439 --> 00:51:19,949 biggest one called the exotic ones which 1121 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:21,449 was later retitled the monster and the 1122 00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,569 stripper and that's where I got a won't 1123 00:51:29,539 --> 00:51:26,400 fight I bet you the rod I bet you 1124 00:51:32,949 --> 00:51:29,549 they're on YouTube you can find clips 1125 00:51:35,059 --> 00:51:32,959 from AHS from the stripper on YouTube I 1126 00:51:39,949 --> 00:51:35,069 wouldn't be surprised if it ends up on 1127 00:51:41,329 --> 00:51:39,959 by NWR com eventually although I don't 1128 00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:41,339 know but anyway the monster in the 1129 00:51:46,969 --> 00:51:45,150 stripper is about this bigfoot-type 1130 00:51:49,009 --> 00:51:46,979 creature that is captured in the 1131 00:51:50,989 --> 00:51:49,019 Okefenokee Swamp and it's it's brought 1132 00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:50,999 and put on display in a New Orleans 1133 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:53,910 strip club and it ends up going berserk 1134 00:51:57,469 --> 00:51:55,890 like when it gets captured it tears this 1135 00:52:00,859 --> 00:51:57,479 guy's arm off and beat him to death with 1136 00:52:03,380 --> 00:52:00,869 it and then attacks one of the strippers 1137 00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:03,390 and it's a pretty wild movie but that 1138 00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,910 was that's a great that's a great plot 1139 00:52:10,789 --> 00:52:10,079 well they don't make movies like that 1140 00:52:15,859 --> 00:52:10,799 anymore 1141 00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:15,869 no bad so then after that they began 1142 00:52:21,709 --> 00:52:18,180 making Christian movies they got hooked 1143 00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:21,719 up with a Mississippi and Baptist 1144 00:52:27,380 --> 00:52:23,880 preaching and Esther's Pirkle who had 1145 00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:27,390 been wanting to adapt a sermon of his 1146 00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:29,369 into a film and but he didn't know 1147 00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:30,900 anything about filmmaking so somebody 1148 00:52:36,370 --> 00:52:33,049 put him in touch with Ron Orland and 1149 00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:36,380 that's how we began making these 1150 00:52:41,479 --> 00:52:39,420 Christian movies now the thing about the 1151 00:52:44,989 --> 00:52:41,489 Christian movies that Ron alone made is 1152 00:52:47,689 --> 00:52:44,999 that he had 20 years experience as an 1153 00:52:49,999 --> 00:52:47,699 exploitation film director so when he 1154 00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:50,009 began making Christian movies it isn't 1155 00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:52,440 like his aesthetic changed he kept 1156 00:52:57,469 --> 00:52:55,140 basically making exploitation films they 1157 00:53:00,289 --> 00:52:57,479 look like exploitation films and he knew 1158 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:00,299 how to really shock an audience he knew 1159 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:05,130 how to do these gory scenes that that 1160 00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:14,390 it's it's funny because most Christians 1161 00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,020 you know frown on that kind of thing or 1162 00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:18,000 a lot of Christians don't care for like 1163 00:53:23,060 --> 00:53:20,310 gory movies horror movies this type of 1164 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:23,070 things like my folks when I was growing 1165 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:26,450 up didn't like me watching horror movies 1166 00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:30,090 anyway but didn't get it we could see 1167 00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:32,670 that it really we can see and really 1168 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:40,380 said that your growth they're the things 1169 00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:44,010 that made Ron Ormond a successful 1170 00:53:48,260 --> 00:53:46,470 exploitation director ended up being the 1171 00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:48,270 same things that made his Christian 1172 00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:51,240 movie successful it was these shot gore 1173 00:53:58,820 --> 00:53:55,700 scenes but but they were so shocking to 1174 00:54:03,200 --> 00:53:58,830 to viewers the Christian films when they 1175 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:03,210 were being screened they they were very 1176 00:54:09,020 --> 00:54:05,810 successful it kind of scaring people 1177 00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,030 into the church or back into church if 1178 00:54:15,380 --> 00:54:12,240 they were kind of you know lacks 1179 00:54:18,140 --> 00:54:15,390 Christians so they made this series of 1180 00:54:20,780 --> 00:54:18,150 films the first one is if footmen tire 1181 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:20,790 you what will horses do and then the 1182 00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,410 second one the burning hell which was 1183 00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:24,960 the most successful one which continues 1184 00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,900 to be screened all over the world really 1185 00:54:32,510 --> 00:54:30,240 and then they made one called 1186 00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:32,520 the believers heaven and they had a 1187 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:34,500 falling out after that one and Ron Orman 1188 00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:36,210 continued making Christian movies for a 1189 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:39,030 while until the good where were these 1190 00:54:45,590 --> 00:54:42,690 were these movies shown another churches 1191 00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:45,600 so you mentioned earlier that you you'd 1192 00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,510 seen these really bad looking movies and 1193 00:54:52,850 --> 00:54:50,880 the reason for that is because these 1194 00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:52,860 Christian movies were only shown in 1195 00:55:02,570 --> 00:54:59,040 churches yes you could rent the the 1196 00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:02,580 perkins would rent 16 millimeter prints 1197 00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:05,460 of these films out to churches so you 1198 00:55:10,570 --> 00:55:08,910 had to be a church and you had to make 1199 00:55:16,060 --> 00:55:10,580 the screenings available to the public 1200 00:55:20,980 --> 00:55:18,860 send them reports of professions of 1201 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:20,990 faith after screenings of the films 1202 00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:23,130 because Estes peripheral wanted to keep 1203 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:23,700 a towel 1204 00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:26,250 how many people had been one to Christ 1205 00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,060 have been one to Jesus by at screenings 1206 00:55:35,630 --> 00:55:32,880 of his films and it look good but good 1207 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:35,640 mailing list he we I mean they they 1208 00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:37,410 really like played all over the place 1209 00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:40,920 those movies made millions of dollars so 1210 00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:42,420 he he 1211 00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:46,140 his son Craig showed me the last count 1212 00:55:51,140 --> 00:55:47,880 was like eight million something 1213 00:55:53,450 --> 00:55:51,150 professions at following screenings of 1214 00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:53,460 these movies but they at that when they 1215 00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:54,930 originally screamed they were mostly 1216 00:55:59,480 --> 00:55:57,570 playing through the Bible Belt they 1217 00:56:03,109 --> 00:55:59,490 played in a lot of Sunday School classes 1218 00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:03,119 so you you find these like if you if you 1219 00:56:09,319 --> 00:56:05,910 look these movies up on YouTube you will 1220 00:56:10,609 --> 00:56:09,329 only find very grainy bootlegs because 1221 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:10,619 those are the only versions that ever 1222 00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:14,250 got out you know at some point in the 1223 00:56:20,810 --> 00:56:18,300 70s somebody made video copies off of 1224 00:56:23,150 --> 00:56:20,820 some prints and well you know wait I 1225 00:56:26,349 --> 00:56:23,160 bought the rights yeah a couple of them 1226 00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:26,359 for fifty dollars a piece my everything 1227 00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:29,819 you bought the right well well they're 1228 00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:32,310 not the copyright apparently had expired 1229 00:56:36,740 --> 00:56:34,740 on this yes there was a fellow whose 1230 00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:36,750 name I can't remember offhand and he had 1231 00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,089 like all kinds of weird I think it was 1232 00:56:43,450 --> 00:56:41,760 weird video calm or something like that 1233 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:43,460 I mean he didn't make it 1234 00:56:48,740 --> 00:56:46,410 well I can't remember I think was weird 1235 00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:48,750 video something like you know the weird 1236 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:51,960 video calm and he made a deal with a 1237 00:56:56,839 --> 00:56:54,690 boatload of people that anybody can 1238 00:56:59,480 --> 00:56:56,849 otherwise you weren't buying exclusive 1239 00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:59,490 rights to it but for that 250 dollars 1240 00:57:03,890 --> 00:57:01,020 you can have the rights to make copies 1241 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:03,900 and sell them and so forth and so on 1242 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:07,890 now the Orman the ones that I had they 1243 00:57:12,050 --> 00:57:09,210 were not good enough really to make 1244 00:57:13,339 --> 00:57:12,060 copies because they jumped around a lot 1245 00:57:16,579 --> 00:57:13,349 you know 1246 00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:16,589 when you put the VHS of the wealthy in 1247 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:18,329 there that's because they were they were 1248 00:57:23,089 --> 00:57:20,490 like third or fourth or fifth generation 1249 00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:23,099 dubs well they were terrible and that's 1250 00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,020 why I probably never I probably never 1251 00:57:30,859 --> 00:57:27,839 saw them but you know so copies of them 1252 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:30,869 but I I had it one time twelve go 1253 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:33,690 machines working you know like at ten 1254 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:37,650 hours a day duplicating a VHS 1255 00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:42,210 eight of all kinds of weird stuff which 1256 00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:44,609 I eventually put on DVD but by that time 1257 00:57:51,529 --> 00:57:47,880 the bottom had kind of fall falling out 1258 00:57:57,260 --> 00:57:51,539 of the really sleazy why shouldn't say 1259 00:57:59,480 --> 00:57:57,270 them I can still sell a few you get you 1260 00:58:04,760 --> 00:57:59,490 get the interest I mean there at one 1261 00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:04,770 point you know other x-rated adult VHS 1262 00:58:10,849 --> 00:58:07,980 tapes were going for $99 and you could 1263 00:58:13,130 --> 00:58:10,859 buy a tape for me for you know like 20 1264 00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:13,140 bucks or something right I saw I saw I 1265 00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:16,710 got so that VHS blanks you know in fact 1266 00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:19,140 VHS is making a comeback now don't laugh 1267 00:58:23,390 --> 00:58:21,750 I did a movie years ago called driller 1268 00:58:26,930 --> 00:58:23,400 which was the Adele take off of Michael 1269 00:58:29,029 --> 00:58:26,940 Jackson's Thriller about yeah yeah three 1270 00:58:31,309 --> 00:58:29,039 three or four years ago somebody came to 1271 00:58:35,809 --> 00:58:31,319 me and said they wanted they were having 1272 00:58:39,260 --> 00:58:35,819 a VHS convention and they wanted to make 1273 00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,270 up like 200 copies of a driller on VHS 1274 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:41,760 not with the posters and that posters 1275 00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:44,010 and I had an autograph each one of them 1276 00:58:51,140 --> 00:58:47,910 and and I guess they sold out I got a 1277 00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:51,150 little bit of check for it and so the 1278 00:58:57,710 --> 00:58:55,049 reasons we a VHS the revival yeah I'm 1279 00:59:00,799 --> 00:58:57,720 you know a pretty common thing out is 1280 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:00,809 VHS flea markets here in Seattle we have 1281 00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:03,450 scarecrow video which is the biggest 1282 00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:06,450 video store in the world and they have 1283 00:59:11,660 --> 00:59:08,520 VHS flea market kind of thing about 1284 00:59:14,839 --> 00:59:11,670 twice a year I picked up a great jack 1285 00:59:19,220 --> 00:59:14,849 van impe video there one time and I was 1286 00:59:21,319 --> 00:59:19,230 very pleased to find it but yes VHS is 1287 00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,329 definitely you know there are 1288 00:59:26,329 --> 00:59:23,760 documentaries about about VHS like 1289 00:59:27,799 --> 00:59:26,339 specifically about VHS video collectors 1290 00:59:30,289 --> 00:59:27,809 there's like two documentaries about 1291 00:59:32,839 --> 00:59:30,299 them it's a bits of visiting culture 1292 00:59:35,779 --> 00:59:32,849 well I don't I don't I'm not big on 1293 00:59:37,279 --> 00:59:35,789 Tijuana there's a much of a DVD culture 1294 00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,289 but I never liked them because they suck 1295 00:59:42,650 --> 00:59:38,880 and they frozen and skip and get 1296 00:59:44,359 --> 00:59:42,660 scratched and Z and then M VHS was no 1297 00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:44,369 great deal either I mean they had that 1298 00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:46,079 you know the tapes will get I think a 1299 00:59:49,849 --> 00:59:47,369 couple of machines got destroyed because 1300 00:59:50,809 --> 00:59:49,859 the tape got round you know out of the 1301 00:59:53,569 --> 00:59:50,819 route 1302 00:59:55,849 --> 00:59:53,579 you know something and and the the 1303 00:59:57,620 --> 00:59:55,859 master copies got all messed up and you 1304 01:00:00,769 --> 00:59:57,630 know I had a set amount somewhere to 1305 01:00:02,839 --> 01:00:00,779 have them like put together again or 1306 01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:02,849 unscrew the whole you know they can get 1307 01:00:07,579 --> 01:00:05,130 really gummy and you have to bake them a 1308 01:00:12,890 --> 01:00:07,589 certain way to get I got gum and yeah 1309 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:12,900 I've got I've got a whole book case full 1310 01:00:18,170 --> 01:00:16,650 of the VHS masters I'm waiting for them 1311 01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:18,180 really to come back and I still got the 1312 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:19,799 gold machines but I I couldn't even 1313 01:00:29,089 --> 01:00:27,259 the reason I got into these movies in 1314 01:00:31,309 --> 01:00:29,099 the first place back in the 90s early 1315 01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:31,319 90s when I was like a freshman in high 1316 01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:34,079 school I used to sell Godzilla movies 1317 01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:36,480 through the mail and VHS I put an ad in 1318 01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:40,980 film fax once and I a copy I made over a 1319 01:00:45,140 --> 01:00:42,690 year I made maybe three or four hundred 1320 01:00:46,339 --> 01:00:45,150 dollars just selling Godzilla movies 1321 01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:46,349 they were in the public domain at the 1322 01:00:53,660 --> 01:00:49,369 time it was before the GATT treaty and 1323 01:00:56,089 --> 01:00:53,670 the I was looking around for the newest 1324 01:00:58,489 --> 01:00:56,099 Godzilla movies I found this place in in 1325 01:01:00,200 --> 01:00:58,499 Atlanta called blast off video and the 1326 01:01:02,900 --> 01:01:00,210 owner I mean you could rent movies 1327 01:01:04,729 --> 01:01:02,910 through the mail and the owner took an 1328 01:01:07,489 --> 01:01:04,739 interest in me because he had grown up 1329 01:01:08,930 --> 01:01:07,499 in my hometown in Northern Virginia so 1330 01:01:10,460 --> 01:01:08,940 he would I would order stuff and he 1331 01:01:12,229 --> 01:01:10,470 would always throw something extra in 1332 01:01:13,759 --> 01:01:12,239 he'd go like you've seen this now check 1333 01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:13,769 this out this isn't in your order but 1334 01:01:18,229 --> 01:01:15,839 you'll like this one and he one time he 1335 01:01:20,539 --> 01:01:18,239 sent me this Ron Ormonde film the Grim 1336 01:01:22,609 --> 01:01:20,549 Reaper he's like you're gonna like this 1337 01:01:25,099 --> 01:01:22,619 one I think it's not it's just it was 1338 01:01:29,049 --> 01:01:25,109 his own personal like job of it it 1339 01:01:36,380 --> 01:01:34,309 okay okay okay okay so push goes to show 1340 01:01:40,220 --> 01:01:36,390 ya who decided what you want to do a 1341 01:01:44,259 --> 01:01:40,230 documentary or a movie based on his his 1342 01:01:47,059 --> 01:01:44,269 career and his life I think it it's me 1343 01:01:50,569 --> 01:01:47,069 the Christian movies in it it's because 1344 01:01:52,819 --> 01:01:50,579 they're fine they're fascinating in a 1345 01:01:55,460 --> 01:01:52,829 number of ways I mean Ron Orman story 1346 01:01:59,779 --> 01:01:55,470 with the plane crash is fascinating the 1347 01:02:01,249 --> 01:01:59,789 more that I've worked with s's Perkins 1348 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:01,259 family and gotten to know them and 1349 01:02:06,210 --> 01:02:04,210 learned about him he comes across 1350 01:02:09,810 --> 01:02:06,220 those movies very one-dimensional and 1351 01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:09,820 and what I've come to find out is he was 1352 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:12,070 a big goofball like he always had a big 1353 01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:13,330 grin on his face he liked to play 1354 01:02:19,980 --> 01:02:16,480 practical jokes and people really loved 1355 01:02:21,530 --> 01:02:19,990 him so it it's the interesting there's 1356 01:02:23,849 --> 01:02:21,540 just so many fascinating things about 1357 01:02:25,740 --> 01:02:23,859 how these movies were made and the 1358 01:02:27,810 --> 01:02:25,750 people who were involved so it's been 1359 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:27,820 something I've wanted to do for almost 1360 01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:32,170 20 years and now I'm kind of scraping 1361 01:02:36,740 --> 01:02:35,230 the money together to go and shoot 1362 01:02:40,650 --> 01:02:36,750 interviews here and there where I can 1363 01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:40,660 although now that I'm filming stuff for 1364 01:02:47,250 --> 01:02:44,500 by NWR I travel around so much that I 1365 01:02:48,990 --> 01:02:47,260 can kind of piggyback interviews for my 1366 01:02:51,450 --> 01:02:49,000 dad man around to some of those trips so 1367 01:02:53,609 --> 01:02:51,460 it's been saving me a lot of money now 1368 01:02:58,560 --> 01:02:53,619 what we had the like I mentioned before 1369 01:03:02,400 --> 01:02:58,570 the Verushka lady on a month ago yeah 1370 01:03:04,380 --> 01:03:02,410 yeah how did you tie in with the with 1371 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:04,390 that exactly I mean that was really a 1372 01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:13,330 one yeah we've been Brian abhi or tech 1373 01:03:17,579 --> 01:03:15,119 comments it's mostly a showcase for 1374 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:17,589 these films that Nicholas has collected 1375 01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:20,170 because he collects film negatives and 1376 01:03:27,329 --> 01:03:25,210 he likes old exploitation movies so he 1377 01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:27,339 wanted to have this kind of place where 1378 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:30,160 he could you know release the films but 1379 01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:32,890 without having to you know put them out 1380 01:03:39,329 --> 01:03:35,770 as physical media or so this website was 1381 01:03:41,490 --> 01:03:39,339 kind of optimal because he's got like a 1382 01:03:42,839 --> 01:03:41,500 mountain of films that he has to go 1383 01:03:44,609 --> 01:03:42,849 through you know so they're kind of 1384 01:03:47,790 --> 01:03:44,619 being released a bit at a time each 1385 01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:47,800 quarter and what is what is the other 1386 01:03:54,780 --> 01:03:52,480 website it's it's by NWR calm and it's 1387 01:03:59,670 --> 01:03:54,790 the website and filmmaker Nicolas 1388 01:04:02,040 --> 01:03:59,680 Winding Refn so and the idea is like 1389 01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:02,050 each quarter there are new films that he 1390 01:04:05,339 --> 01:04:03,970 has had restored you know new films from 1391 01:04:07,050 --> 01:04:05,349 his collection he's had restored that 1392 01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:07,060 are going to be released and showcased 1393 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:13,540 and there are writers really amazing 1394 01:04:16,940 --> 01:04:16,210 film and music writers who are curating 1395 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:16,950 the 1396 01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:19,530 ten for each quarters release and 1397 01:04:26,330 --> 01:04:23,220 they're sort of writing articles that go 1398 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:26,340 along with the film's the articles about 1399 01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:29,730 specific people in them and then we've 1400 01:04:35,140 --> 01:04:32,880 been filming you know people who are in 1401 01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:35,150 some way involved in some of the films 1402 01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:38,640 usually performing some way so Beverly 1403 01:04:44,930 --> 01:04:42,000 the babushka lady is a is a singer and 1404 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:44,940 she's a Christian ventriloquist oh yeah 1405 01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,490 yeah very interesting lady I mean 1406 01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:49,920 whatever yeah what a great shall we do 1407 01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,660 that it's doing very good on their 1408 01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:53,520 YouTube channel and you know people 1409 01:04:59,390 --> 01:04:57,330 anything one thing that is great in the 1410 01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:59,400 video with her is is available now on 1411 01:05:04,970 --> 01:05:02,400 buying to be or to come then the what's 1412 01:05:07,070 --> 01:05:04,980 really cool is that the first quarter 1413 01:05:09,950 --> 01:05:07,080 stuff was all curated by a Jimmy 1414 01:05:14,260 --> 01:05:09,960 McDonough who's a an amazing writer he 1415 01:05:18,290 --> 01:05:14,270 wrote a biography of them Russ Meyer and 1416 01:05:20,980 --> 01:05:18,300 Neil Young and he had a biography of Al 1417 01:05:25,130 --> 01:05:20,990 Green just came out last year mm-hmm 1418 01:05:28,430 --> 01:05:25,140 Jimmy put together that Beverly the 1419 01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:28,440 babushka lady who has had these releases 1420 01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:30,570 album releases and she's got a film 1421 01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:32,850 about her life and also there are videos 1422 01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:36,960 of her ventriloquist act and she you 1423 01:05:44,420 --> 01:05:41,930 know works at one of Jack Ruby's clubs 1424 01:05:45,890 --> 01:05:44,430 she was also the star of an old 1425 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:45,900 exploitation movie called hot blooded 1426 01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:49,890 woman so um when she's in it I'm I can't 1427 01:05:54,350 --> 01:05:52,410 remember she's the story but nobody had 1428 01:05:56,180 --> 01:05:54,360 really connected the dots that this the 1429 01:05:58,970 --> 01:05:56,190 same woman like this woman in this film 1430 01:06:00,650 --> 01:05:58,980 the babushka lady this Christian 1431 01:06:04,580 --> 01:06:00,660 ventriloquist that they were all three 1432 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:04,590 of the same woman so so Jimmy wrote up 1433 01:06:09,350 --> 01:06:06,930 an article about her and kind of her 1434 01:06:12,860 --> 01:06:09,360 amazing life and all these things that 1435 01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:12,870 she's done and then we filmed her 1436 01:06:16,460 --> 01:06:14,070 singing and doing some other 1437 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:16,470 ventriloquist routine and also talking 1438 01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:19,730 about witnessing Kennedy's assassination 1439 01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:27,910 and it and all in 3d Wow three 1440 01:06:31,780 --> 01:06:29,260 yep 1441 01:06:37,690 --> 01:06:31,790 yeah I've been shooting 3d for a while 1442 01:06:43,060 --> 01:06:37,700 um Jimmy McDonough is a 3d photographer 1443 01:06:45,460 --> 01:06:43,070 as well he was he he was taught how to 1444 01:06:47,770 --> 01:06:45,470 shoot 3d photography by Lux interior the 1445 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:47,780 singer of The Cramps they were friends 1446 01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,370 anyway when Jimmy was initially 1447 01:06:53,460 --> 01:06:50,960 describing how he wanted me to be 1448 01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:53,470 shooting stuff one time he said you 1449 01:06:59,200 --> 01:06:56,240 shoot it like 3d and I mean well Jimmy I 1450 01:07:00,760 --> 01:06:59,210 could shoot it in 3d even oh yeah so 1451 01:07:05,590 --> 01:07:00,770 I've just been shooting everything in 3d 1452 01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:05,600 since then and and what what other 1453 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:08,230 projects are you working on internally 1454 01:07:15,660 --> 01:07:13,130 well I'm I'm still filming you know it's 1455 01:07:19,030 --> 01:07:15,670 it's all kind of original content that 1456 01:07:21,970 --> 01:07:19,040 is sort of included as these 1457 01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:21,980 supplemental features to to the film 1458 01:07:27,550 --> 01:07:23,690 releases so each quarter they're gonna 1459 01:07:30,730 --> 01:07:27,560 be new videos so I'm I'm I'm spending a 1460 01:07:31,540 --> 01:07:30,740 lot of time traveling and filming stuff 1461 01:07:34,510 --> 01:07:31,550 for the website 1462 01:07:35,830 --> 01:07:34,520 and like I said I'm kind of able to 1463 01:07:38,290 --> 01:07:35,840 piggyback some interviews for my 1464 01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:38,300 documentary onto these trips which saves 1465 01:07:48,910 --> 01:07:45,910 Tim you had you had a question I know 1466 01:07:53,230 --> 01:07:48,920 you wanted to well well I just wanted to 1467 01:07:55,030 --> 01:07:53,240 ask what what format are are you 1468 01:07:59,890 --> 01:07:55,040 shooting you're a documentary on you 1469 01:08:02,470 --> 01:07:59,900 know you say it's 3d it wouldn't make a 1470 01:08:04,030 --> 01:08:02,480 lot of sense because you know the films 1471 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:04,040 that the documentary is about we're not 1472 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:07,010 in 3d it would be a little weird okay so 1473 01:08:13,180 --> 01:08:10,490 I'm just shooting 3d stuff for for for 1474 01:08:16,270 --> 01:08:13,190 the website by NWR com okay so then the 1475 01:08:20,770 --> 01:08:16,280 Ormond documentary what what kind of 1476 01:08:22,809 --> 01:08:20,780 equipment are you using for that we we 1477 01:08:24,130 --> 01:08:22,819 had been using a gh4 we're shooting for 1478 01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:24,140 today I'm not sure if I'm going to 1479 01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:26,960 continue to use that thank you thank you 1480 01:08:37,390 --> 01:08:35,290 yeah better and better cameras oh yeah 1481 01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:37,400 what's that what's the timeline we got 1482 01:08:39,670 --> 01:08:38,810 about a minute here who have to go to 1483 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:39,680 eyebrow 1484 01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:41,690 you mean do you have a time line yeah 1485 01:08:47,830 --> 01:08:45,440 for the finish well no really what I'm 1486 01:08:51,610 --> 01:08:47,840 doing at the moment is I'm getting the 1487 01:08:53,620 --> 01:08:51,620 key interviews films and then I'm gonna 1488 01:08:55,780 --> 01:08:53,630 begin to kind of piece together the 1489 01:08:58,660 --> 01:08:55,790 skeleton of the documentary and then do 1490 01:09:00,780 --> 01:08:58,670 fundraising and get a and get production 1491 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:00,790 company behind it 1492 01:09:06,820 --> 01:09:04,850 it's just I it's a difficult subject to 1493 01:09:10,270 --> 01:09:06,830 kind of take around and sell an ID on 1494 01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:10,280 without having something to show you 1495 01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:12,050 know what it's gonna be like all right 1496 01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:14,000 well we need to go to our bottom of the 1497 01:09:28,270 --> 01:09:16,270 hour break so and we come back more 1498 01:09:31,450 --> 01:09:28,280 exploring the bizarre system now back to 1499 01:09:33,490 --> 01:09:31,460 exploring the bazaars with two of the 1500 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:33,500 most electrifying researchers in the 1501 01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:36,850 Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 1502 01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:42,290 Anton's lists alright Tim here are at 1503 01:09:46,930 --> 01:09:45,050 the final segment of exploring the 1504 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:46,940 bizarre always seems like when we get to 1505 01:09:52,170 --> 01:09:49,010 this point I just can't believe how fast 1506 01:09:56,230 --> 01:09:52,180 that time is flown for the program but 1507 01:10:00,180 --> 01:09:56,240 Denise I understand that you have put 1508 01:10:05,050 --> 01:10:00,190 together some some astrological charts 1509 01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:05,060 exclusively for our show tonight oh well 1510 01:10:08,830 --> 01:10:07,040 yeah I did I mean I did actually look at 1511 01:10:10,450 --> 01:10:08,840 some stuff for I you know the 1512 01:10:12,820 --> 01:10:10,460 Constitution signing chart which is what 1513 01:10:14,170 --> 01:10:12,830 I use for the United States and kind of 1514 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:14,180 forecasting things that are going to 1515 01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:16,610 happen in the country no yeah I did 1516 01:10:21,580 --> 01:10:20,450 actually do that I can tell you a little 1517 01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:21,590 bit about that 1518 01:10:30,540 --> 01:10:27,280 definitely yeah so basically right now 1519 01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:30,550 this is a weird segment to go from 1520 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:39,410 exploitation film to but okay so anyway 1521 01:10:44,620 --> 01:10:42,530 so Pluto is going is foot of which world 1522 01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:44,630 transformation change and all the stuff 1523 01:10:50,050 --> 01:10:46,510 is it's currently and then in the 1524 01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:50,060 transit its transiting the twelfth house 1525 01:10:55,090 --> 01:10:52,970 of the United States which 1526 01:10:57,610 --> 01:10:55,100 I'm going to go into a little bit of 1527 01:10:59,860 --> 01:10:57,620 something that so there's a little bit 1528 01:11:01,720 --> 01:10:59,870 of a thing about among astrologers about 1529 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:01,730 when the actual what shirt you should 1530 01:11:05,530 --> 01:11:03,890 use when you talk about forecasting for 1531 01:11:08,020 --> 01:11:05,540 the United States and this is kind of 1532 01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:08,030 maybe boring to some people but you know 1533 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:09,410 there's a Declaration of Independence 1534 01:11:13,150 --> 01:11:11,810 which we celebrate July 4th and then 1535 01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:13,160 there was the Articles of Confederation 1536 01:11:19,300 --> 01:11:16,730 and then we had the Constitution and the 1537 01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:19,310 thing is our country really isn't didn't 1538 01:11:22,810 --> 01:11:20,960 become our country with our government 1539 01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:22,820 set up and everything until the 1540 01:11:28,210 --> 01:11:26,510 Constitution was signed and so I use the 1541 01:11:29,770 --> 01:11:28,220 Constitution signing chart to be able to 1542 01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:29,780 kind of determine what's going to happen 1543 01:11:33,790 --> 01:11:32,210 because I find that's the most accurate 1544 01:11:35,380 --> 01:11:33,800 you you look at the Independence Day 1545 01:11:37,210 --> 01:11:35,390 chart and it doesn't really tell you 1546 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:37,220 much of anything about what we're 1547 01:11:42,940 --> 01:11:39,290 actually going through or dealing with 1548 01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:42,950 but um basically luto transiting the the 1549 01:11:48,850 --> 01:11:46,850 twelfth house is it means is that stuff 1550 01:11:50,710 --> 01:11:48,860 is going to be kind of boiling under the 1551 01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:50,720 surface which we've had for a while um 1552 01:11:54,940 --> 01:11:53,360 the whole thing with the Russia stuff 1553 01:11:58,990 --> 01:11:54,950 that's going that it you know the sort 1554 01:12:00,580 --> 01:11:59,000 of subversion and the twelfth house is 1555 01:12:04,570 --> 01:12:00,590 basically things hidden hidden hidden 1556 01:12:06,670 --> 01:12:04,580 enemies I I wouldn't be surprised 1557 01:12:10,990 --> 01:12:06,680 I already we've missed servicemen talk 1558 01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:11,000 about their being you know election kind 1559 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:13,250 of fraud and problems with our system 1560 01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:14,930 that have been happening in Florida and 1561 01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:16,850 other places there's like some tampering 1562 01:12:22,900 --> 01:12:17,600 going on right now 1563 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:22,910 that's this Pluto transit and I am kind 1564 01:12:28,900 --> 01:12:25,130 of worried that because of this transit 1565 01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:28,910 that we're not going to get that under 1566 01:12:37,390 --> 01:12:32,210 control we go back to my chart here 1567 01:12:42,340 --> 01:12:37,400 because it's it's a little that as well 1568 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:42,350 as I saw some I saw some bad aspects 1569 01:12:47,740 --> 01:12:45,530 basically going on with um Neptune in 1570 01:12:49,150 --> 01:12:47,750 the first house of the of the US 1571 01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:49,160 Constitution chart which means that 1572 01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:51,440 basically people are confused people are 1573 01:12:56,170 --> 01:12:54,410 not really in their right mind they're 1574 01:12:59,680 --> 01:12:56,180 not really thinking very clearly right 1575 01:13:01,630 --> 01:12:59,690 now in our country and it's speaking in 1576 01:13:04,110 --> 01:13:01,640 opposition to mercury in virgo and the 1577 01:13:06,700 --> 01:13:04,120 seventh which is our legal system and 1578 01:13:08,650 --> 01:13:06,710 our media outlets 1579 01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:08,660 communication so there is like there's a 1580 01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:10,489 disconnect there's a problem between our 1581 01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:13,760 ability to think clearly and there's a 1582 01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:15,410 lot of nefarious kind of things in the 1583 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:16,640 US Constitution chart that are 1584 01:13:20,770 --> 01:13:18,410 translating that are showing up and are 1585 01:13:22,570 --> 01:13:20,780 in the charter of the United States and 1586 01:13:24,570 --> 01:13:22,580 stuff that I looked at for Donald Trump 1587 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:24,580 even how his chart sort of fit into 1588 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:29,650 what's going on with our country it's 1589 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:31,850 I'm going to look at my notes here 1590 01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:36,050 because there's a lot so so Trump's 1591 01:13:39,070 --> 01:13:37,760 Jupiter is exactly conjunct the natal 1592 01:13:41,860 --> 01:13:39,080 knife you know the US Constitution 1593 01:13:43,540 --> 01:13:41,870 signing chart which means that all the 1594 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:43,550 sort of Neptunian things which are 1595 01:13:51,490 --> 01:13:49,130 people people's belief systems and what 1596 01:13:55,660 --> 01:13:51,500 nuts and rolls is basically not just 1597 01:13:58,270 --> 01:13:55,670 assistance but trickery and delusion its 1598 01:14:01,240 --> 01:13:58,280 spirituality but in the case of this 1599 01:14:05,170 --> 01:14:01,250 it's it's much more about delusion and 1600 01:14:10,930 --> 01:14:05,180 sort of feelings of being lost and kind 1601 01:14:12,729 --> 01:14:10,940 of directionless so that's happening his 1602 01:14:14,590 --> 01:14:12,739 chart also has photo conjunct the 1603 01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:14,600 descendant of the seventh house which is 1604 01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:17,570 the house of the legal the laws the laws 1605 01:14:21,850 --> 01:14:20,090 of the land and Pluto is sort of blowing 1606 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:21,860 it's sort of a blowing up kind of 1607 01:14:27,220 --> 01:14:23,570 plutonium think of plutonium like 1608 01:14:29,229 --> 01:14:27,230 explosive the seventh house being our 1609 01:14:31,810 --> 01:14:29,239 legal system those are not really great 1610 01:14:34,060 --> 01:14:31,820 I think we're seeing kind of the 1611 01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:34,070 resonance with that in sort of the 1612 01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:35,090 things that are going down with the 1613 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:39,760 molar investigation my feeling is here 1614 01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:45,890 is what I sort of talked about in the 1615 01:14:51,610 --> 01:14:49,489 book in terms of his chart Donald Trump 1616 01:14:53,770 --> 01:14:51,620 is there's a confluence of a really a 1617 01:14:55,620 --> 01:14:53,780 lot of really really bad aspects going 1618 01:14:58,060 --> 01:14:55,630 on his chart that basically kind of 1619 01:15:00,250 --> 01:14:58,070 started in the spring of this year and 1620 01:15:02,650 --> 01:15:00,260 we started seeing some of the stuff kind 1621 01:15:04,450 --> 01:15:02,660 of come apart for him then and the sort 1622 01:15:06,610 --> 01:15:04,460 of this all these investigations was 1623 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:06,620 that are kind of coming to the fore the 1624 01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:09,130 molar investigation is now like you know 1625 01:15:15,490 --> 01:15:12,800 his I can do you know metaphor is on 1626 01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,500 trial right now all this stuff that's 1627 01:15:19,570 --> 01:15:17,840 coming out it's it sort of it builds up 1628 01:15:20,500 --> 01:15:19,580 over the next year and it looks like 1629 01:15:22,330 --> 01:15:20,510 really it's not 1630 01:15:25,979 --> 01:15:22,340 the spring of next year when all these 1631 01:15:28,180 --> 01:15:25,989 aspects are really tight on him and I 1632 01:15:29,529 --> 01:15:28,190 mean I could get really technical but I 1633 01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:29,539 think that's kind of boring for people 1634 01:15:34,330 --> 01:15:31,369 to listen to but basically the general 1635 01:15:36,370 --> 01:15:34,340 feeling of it is that in the US 1636 01:15:37,899 --> 01:15:36,380 Constitution church and in his chart 1637 01:15:39,580 --> 01:15:37,909 there's resonance with the spring of 1638 01:15:42,399 --> 01:15:39,590 next year where things kind of come out 1639 01:15:44,290 --> 01:15:42,409 and I think right now as Uranus is right 1640 01:15:46,209 --> 01:15:44,300 on the cusp of the third house and that 1641 01:15:47,620 --> 01:15:46,219 means basically stuff is kind of coming 1642 01:15:49,180 --> 01:15:47,630 out in the media things where people are 1643 01:15:51,310 --> 01:15:49,190 finding out stuff that they had no idea 1644 01:15:53,379 --> 01:15:51,320 didn't know about it's going to go 1645 01:15:54,939 --> 01:15:53,389 backwards into the second house and when 1646 01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:54,949 it was in the second house before like 1647 01:15:59,979 --> 01:15:57,920 in this there was some other we've had 1648 01:16:02,549 --> 01:15:59,989 some instability in the marketplace that 1649 01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:02,559 kind of showed up in in February that 1650 01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:05,210 may kind of start to happen again in the 1651 01:16:10,779 --> 01:16:08,449 fall with the Dow Jones and the Nasdaq 1652 01:16:12,339 --> 01:16:10,789 and all that as earnest start to transit 1653 01:16:14,879 --> 01:16:12,349 back into the second house and starts 1654 01:16:19,330 --> 01:16:14,889 making a bad aspect is what because 1655 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:19,340 naturally also the Neptune point in the 1656 01:16:26,259 --> 01:16:23,690 chart of the the stock market is 1657 01:16:28,209 --> 01:16:26,269 actually a Libra so there's a lot I mean 1658 01:16:30,939 --> 01:16:28,219 I feel like I'm getting a really kind of 1659 01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:30,949 - astrology for you guys but um but 1660 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:33,170 basically the next year is going to be a 1661 01:16:36,910 --> 01:16:35,690 very kind of time where I think that a 1662 01:16:39,580 --> 01:16:36,920 lot of this stuff that's under the 1663 01:16:42,669 --> 01:16:39,590 surface now kind of comes out and we 1664 01:16:45,220 --> 01:16:42,679 learn a lot of information which and it 1665 01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:45,230 all kind of culminates next spring and I 1666 01:16:49,629 --> 01:16:47,090 think in the meantime it could kind of 1667 01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:49,639 do damage to some of our systems or 1668 01:16:54,129 --> 01:16:52,250 economic systems as it moves is there 1669 01:16:57,370 --> 01:16:54,139 some very bad conjunctions that start to 1670 01:17:00,160 --> 01:16:57,380 happen around February March of next 1671 01:17:02,259 --> 01:17:00,170 year and get worse as time goes on so 1672 01:17:04,089 --> 01:17:02,269 that's my little warning kind of 1673 01:17:07,299 --> 01:17:04,099 breakdown of where we're headed here 1674 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:07,309 with all this stuff you know that what I 1675 01:17:14,770 --> 01:17:08,570 don't know what to say else other than 1676 01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:14,780 that but there you go a couple of months 1677 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:17,840 after the 2018 election inaugurations 1678 01:17:23,410 --> 01:17:19,730 happen is when there's going to be a lot 1679 01:17:25,540 --> 01:17:23,420 of pressure on Donald Trump I think so I 1680 01:17:28,209 --> 01:17:25,550 think so I think actually when I looked 1681 01:17:29,950 --> 01:17:28,219 at some resident points with some of the 1682 01:17:32,500 --> 01:17:29,960 charts of people that had been impeached 1683 01:17:34,300 --> 01:17:32,510 before it was pretty much always like 1684 01:17:36,010 --> 01:17:34,310 there's some aspects of December 1685 01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:36,020 this year actually that kind of show 1686 01:17:39,220 --> 01:17:37,370 that that could be something that's 1687 01:17:40,750 --> 01:17:39,230 talked about or like that starts to kind 1688 01:17:43,330 --> 01:17:40,760 of bubble under the surface around that 1689 01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:43,340 period of time I'm not really sure how 1690 01:17:48,330 --> 01:17:45,440 he gets into trouble exactly because 1691 01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:48,340 these aspects are really kind of more 1692 01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:50,930 they're they're kind of worse than 1693 01:17:54,220 --> 01:17:52,490 impeachment really they're kind of like 1694 01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:54,230 aspects you would see in the criminal 1695 01:17:59,680 --> 01:17:57,530 kind of situation or an indictment kind 1696 01:18:02,470 --> 01:17:59,690 of situation or something a lot worse 1697 01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:02,480 than just you know a Nixon kind of 1698 01:18:09,250 --> 01:18:05,930 impeachment type of scenario you know so 1699 01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:09,260 I kind of think that impeachment may be 1700 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:11,510 bandied about after maybe the midterms 1701 01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:13,850 and maybe people will start really more 1702 01:18:16,660 --> 01:18:15,440 seriously taking that into account but 1703 01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:16,670 I'm not sure if that's what's going to 1704 01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:17,930 happen to him or if it's gonna be 1705 01:18:23,170 --> 01:18:20,000 something weirder than that because he's 1706 01:18:25,810 --> 01:18:23,180 got a very strong uranus son conjunction 1707 01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:25,820 and opposing asthma and everything that 1708 01:18:30,660 --> 01:18:27,920 happened to him is really unexpected he 1709 01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:30,670 himself is really kind of erratic but 1710 01:18:34,540 --> 01:18:32,930 sort of when you think you pin him down 1711 01:18:36,670 --> 01:18:34,550 then he kind of finds a way to bounce 1712 01:18:38,470 --> 01:18:36,680 out of it you know and it's because of 1713 01:18:40,420 --> 01:18:38,480 that you're in a son connection and so 1714 01:18:42,730 --> 01:18:40,430 you always have to kind of expect the 1715 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:42,740 unexpected with him so I don't know if 1716 01:18:46,210 --> 01:18:44,330 it's going to be a traditional sort of 1717 01:18:47,980 --> 01:18:46,220 impeachment scenario with him I think it 1718 01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:47,990 may be something a lot weirder than that 1719 01:18:53,650 --> 01:18:50,690 that kind of comes down the pike I'd had 1720 01:18:57,330 --> 01:18:53,660 kind of Inklings that maybe it was more 1721 01:19:00,880 --> 01:18:57,340 like a deal was struck that he ends up 1722 01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:00,890 you know the evidence was presented to 1723 01:19:06,010 --> 01:19:03,370 him that he's in really deep trouble and 1724 01:19:07,540 --> 01:19:06,020 that he maybe will resign which I 1725 01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:07,550 doesn't make sense to me because he's 1726 01:19:11,950 --> 01:19:09,110 not the type of person that resigns but 1727 01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,960 I guess if they took off something you 1728 01:19:15,490 --> 01:19:13,520 know something off the table like a 1729 01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:15,500 worse crime or something that gets kind 1730 01:19:19,420 --> 01:19:17,330 of unearthed here on earth through this 1731 01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:19,430 process then maybe he would be willing 1732 01:19:26,860 --> 01:19:24,410 to kind of give up the presidency to get 1733 01:19:28,060 --> 01:19:26,870 out of deeper trouble you know I think 1734 01:19:29,740 --> 01:19:28,070 it's going to be something we don't 1735 01:19:33,490 --> 01:19:29,750 quite expect and I don't think it's 1736 01:19:35,050 --> 01:19:33,500 gonna be in the historical kind of 1737 01:19:36,910 --> 01:19:35,060 paradigm that we've seen with other 1738 01:19:38,290 --> 01:19:36,920 presidents and and then being in trouble 1739 01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:38,300 I think it's me slightly different than 1740 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:43,010 that there's a lot of just you know he's 1741 01:19:47,740 --> 01:19:44,810 just so very Iranian and this whole 1742 01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:47,750 thing with clear we're going to the 12th 1743 01:19:52,580 --> 01:19:48,239 house 1744 01:19:56,979 --> 01:19:52,590 is really it really is really implies 1745 01:19:59,600 --> 01:19:56,989 the stuff with Russia and the sort of 1746 01:20:02,299 --> 01:19:59,610 the dark side kind of almost like a 1747 01:20:04,189 --> 01:20:02,309 mafia type of vibe that sort of our 1748 01:20:07,009 --> 01:20:04,199 hidden enemies are really powerful and 1749 01:20:10,220 --> 01:20:07,019 dark and hidden from us and they're 1750 01:20:12,500 --> 01:20:10,230 trying to do damage to our country so 1751 01:20:15,950 --> 01:20:12,510 we'll see what happens there 1752 01:20:17,660 --> 01:20:15,960 hopefully we'll expose it as clear 1753 01:20:18,379 --> 01:20:17,670 transits but it's it's going to be there 1754 01:20:22,100 --> 01:20:18,389 for a while 1755 01:20:24,339 --> 01:20:22,110 so you know you never know exactly how 1756 01:20:30,049 --> 01:20:24,349 these things are gonna play out but I 1757 01:20:31,459 --> 01:20:30,059 think I have to say the Neptune thing is 1758 01:20:33,620 --> 01:20:31,469 the thing that's most concerning to me 1759 01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:33,630 that people seem to be unable to 1760 01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:36,210 decipher truth from fiction right now 1761 01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:38,880 and this is really kind of a global 1762 01:20:44,930 --> 01:20:41,730 problem with Neptune in Pisces but in 1763 01:20:47,180 --> 01:20:44,940 some of our progress chart in in the 1764 01:20:50,689 --> 01:20:47,190 United States it's there's a lot of bad 1765 01:20:51,950 --> 01:20:50,699 Neptune aspects so I think the hardest 1766 01:20:54,319 --> 01:20:51,960 thing is going to be able to see that 1767 01:20:56,209 --> 01:20:54,329 what's real from what's not real in the 1768 01:20:58,580 --> 01:20:56,219 situation and kind of a lot of like 1769 01:21:01,279 --> 01:20:58,590 confusion about what's what's going on I 1770 01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:01,289 think that that's that's my main concern 1771 01:21:05,209 --> 01:21:03,360 really in terms of how it's played out 1772 01:21:06,830 --> 01:21:05,219 this plays out and knowing exactly how 1773 01:21:10,250 --> 01:21:06,840 it will play out because it's really 1774 01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:10,260 going to be up to us to kind of sort 1775 01:21:14,299 --> 01:21:12,090 through all this information to be able 1776 01:21:16,430 --> 01:21:14,309 to put it into perspective so that we 1777 01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:16,440 can be clear about it but right now 1778 01:21:22,129 --> 01:21:18,690 there's there's not a lot of clarity so 1779 01:21:24,259 --> 01:21:22,139 I think whatever happens a lot of stuff 1780 01:21:26,299 --> 01:21:24,269 will come out but all I think a lot of 1781 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:26,309 stuff will be hidden from us too a lot 1782 01:21:29,839 --> 01:21:28,530 of what they uncover about this I don't 1783 01:21:32,060 --> 01:21:29,849 think will come out until many years 1784 01:21:36,009 --> 01:21:32,070 later I think I'm still player you 1785 01:21:42,169 --> 01:21:36,019 German have you done anything on the 1786 01:21:43,970 --> 01:21:42,179 midterm elections you know I have not 1787 01:21:45,589 --> 01:21:43,980 yet I have done a little bit I have 1788 01:21:47,359 --> 01:21:45,599 looked at Donald Trump's chart during 1789 01:21:49,220 --> 01:21:47,369 the midterm elections and that looks 1790 01:21:52,069 --> 01:21:49,230 like he's going to be very unhappy so I 1791 01:21:54,890 --> 01:21:52,079 think that to me it was I did some 1792 01:21:58,879 --> 01:21:54,900 earlier on and there's a couple things 1793 01:22:01,250 --> 01:21:58,889 um there is a transit going on for the 1794 01:22:01,530 --> 01:22:01,260 Republicans which is like a Pluto thing 1795 01:22:03,870 --> 01:22:01,540 where 1796 01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:03,880 basically a big change that they're 1797 01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:05,650 going through and then the Democrats 1798 01:22:08,610 --> 01:22:07,090 have with a lot of Neptune stuff going 1799 01:22:10,140 --> 01:22:08,620 on which means they're very confused and 1800 01:22:14,190 --> 01:22:10,150 they're kind of leaderless which is 1801 01:22:16,230 --> 01:22:14,200 we've seen I have always had the 1802 01:22:18,030 --> 01:22:16,240 suspicion from early on that the 1803 01:22:21,180 --> 01:22:18,040 midterms would be a little be a blue 1804 01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:21,190 rays there'd be a lot of you know seats 1805 01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:22,570 that would turn over and everything and 1806 01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:25,840 go to blue but um you know I started 1807 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:28,000 getting a little worried with that stuff 1808 01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:30,010 coming up that Russia is sort of 1809 01:22:33,450 --> 01:22:31,810 targeting different places and trying to 1810 01:22:36,270 --> 01:22:33,460 kind of insert themselves into the 1811 01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:36,280 process but I did look Trump's chart and 1812 01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:38,800 she has some aspects that make it look 1813 01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:42,010 like he's not a happy camper during that 1814 01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:43,840 period of time so I felt like that was 1815 01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:45,250 probably a good indicator that my 1816 01:22:50,910 --> 01:22:47,920 intuition about that was right so um 1817 01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:50,920 I'll have to look more and really 1818 01:22:57,810 --> 01:22:54,880 determine honestly like really look at 1819 01:22:59,100 --> 01:22:57,820 Putin's shirt you know um and I haven't 1820 01:23:01,500 --> 01:22:59,110 really looked at Putin cert in a while 1821 01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:01,510 since I was doing the book I did look at 1822 01:23:05,310 --> 01:23:03,130 boot insert a long time ago and try to 1823 01:23:08,700 --> 01:23:05,320 figure out what he was all about what I 1824 01:23:10,620 --> 01:23:08,710 found out about him was um guys scary 1825 01:23:13,770 --> 01:23:10,630 his shirt was kind of a little bit scary 1826 01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:13,780 actually and there was definitely 1827 01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:15,850 markers of like a very cold kind of 1828 01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:19,600 calculated extremely intelligent and 1829 01:23:25,230 --> 01:23:21,760 somebody who thinks like 30 steps ahead 1830 01:23:30,510 --> 01:23:25,240 type of person which is great for them 1831 01:23:32,340 --> 01:23:30,520 but not so great for us so um MoDOT to 1832 01:23:34,380 --> 01:23:32,350 Donald Trump who's so erratic and all 1833 01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:34,390 over the place you know it's really easy 1834 01:23:41,730 --> 01:23:37,440 to see how he could manipulate 1835 01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:41,740 situations somebody who's so calculating 1836 01:23:49,740 --> 01:23:45,490 and he's like a master chess player so 1837 01:23:52,620 --> 01:23:49,750 you know and he's got some very cold 1838 01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:52,630 kind of very very kind of cold almost 1839 01:24:01,290 --> 01:23:56,530 sociopathic kind of stuff in his chart 1840 01:24:03,540 --> 01:24:01,300 so I don't think that there's and Donald 1841 01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:03,550 Trump is got that too but he's so 1842 01:24:08,460 --> 01:24:05,920 erratic in sort of so narcissistic his 1843 01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:08,470 hurt is so very explosive internal and 1844 01:24:13,260 --> 01:24:11,170 kind of self-absorbed that she's not 1845 01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:13,270 really a chess player you know he's sort 1846 01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:15,370 of living in the moment 1847 01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:17,770 to sort of you know throwing stuff out 1848 01:24:20,970 --> 01:24:19,600 there whatever works kind of like a man 1849 01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:20,980 who's drowning and just kind of throwing 1850 01:24:24,930 --> 01:24:22,480 stuff around trying to figure out how to 1851 01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:24,940 get out of the next situation so he's 1852 01:24:29,490 --> 01:24:26,650 not thinking far enough ahead and I 1853 01:24:31,340 --> 01:24:29,500 think this was sort of but you know a 1854 01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:31,350 bit of the problem we're in right now 1855 01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:33,970 that's you know it's good of an 1856 01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:34,930 assessment it's like it gives that 1857 01:24:42,540 --> 01:24:38,800 really well now what you uh you you 1858 01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:42,550 talked about going through a period 1859 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:45,490 where you know we we don't know what's 1860 01:24:53,190 --> 01:24:49,050 going on and you know there's there's a 1861 01:24:55,770 --> 01:24:53,200 lack of information but you know I can 1862 01:24:58,280 --> 01:24:55,780 imagine that you know when you put this 1863 01:25:02,760 --> 01:24:58,290 kind of information out on on YouTube 1864 01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:02,770 that you're gonna get a lot of people 1865 01:25:07,950 --> 01:25:05,770 who because you know you're not talking 1866 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:07,960 and just absolute glowing terms about 1867 01:25:13,890 --> 01:25:12,010 the situation yeah yeah I mean you're 1868 01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:13,900 just going to get to you viciously 1869 01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:16,890 viciously a [\h__\h] oh yes that's a I do 1870 01:25:22,170 --> 01:25:21,010 yes I really do yes and the people 1871 01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:22,180 because the people that are Trump 1872 01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:24,310 supporters are really they're like 1873 01:25:28,290 --> 01:25:27,040 fanatical you know um of course there's 1874 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:28,300 a lot of people that are not Trump 1875 01:25:32,370 --> 01:25:29,530 supporters I think the majority of 1876 01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:32,380 people probably are kind of not really 1877 01:25:36,510 --> 01:25:33,970 on board with a lot of things going on 1878 01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:36,520 but but the people that support him are 1879 01:25:41,670 --> 01:25:38,830 really really they are really supporting 1880 01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:41,680 him and like almost like uh a very 1881 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:44,770 Neptunian kind of like very sorry giving 1882 01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:46,570 themselves over in a sort of ecstatic 1883 01:25:52,590 --> 01:25:50,800 kind of emotional and not really they 1884 01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:52,600 don't really know the actual facts kind 1885 01:25:58,710 --> 01:25:56,050 of way yeah I get a lot of yeah like a 1886 01:26:00,810 --> 01:25:58,720 cult exactly like a cult and it's it I 1887 01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:00,820 definitely get attacked and I just don't 1888 01:26:05,190 --> 01:26:02,800 even read any of the comments because I 1889 01:26:07,980 --> 01:26:05,200 mean I've heard I mean people are 1890 01:26:10,770 --> 01:26:07,990 damning me to hell it's tough so I just 1891 01:26:13,710 --> 01:26:10,780 try to stay out of video like you know I 1892 01:26:17,370 --> 01:26:13,720 I can't what can I say you know I mean 1893 01:26:19,290 --> 01:26:17,380 this is what I see and I you know um you 1894 01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:19,300 know I can't what can I tell you i I 1895 01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:21,700 know I'm gonna piss people off for sure 1896 01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:24,370 well this is you know this that aspect 1897 01:26:27,630 --> 01:26:26,080 has been fascinating to me you know 1898 01:26:29,340 --> 01:26:27,640 because a I mean you know going back to 1899 01:26:31,470 --> 01:26:29,350 like you know so the stuff that 1900 01:26:34,890 --> 01:26:31,480 that Brian was talking about you know 1901 01:26:38,940 --> 01:26:34,900 with the the evangelicals in their films 1902 01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:38,950 you know it's it's it's it's like this 1903 01:26:46,020 --> 01:26:43,360 this whole aspect of this of this 1904 01:26:47,820 --> 01:26:46,030 currently current support that is 1905 01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:47,830 there's a real almost a religious aspect 1906 01:26:53,330 --> 01:26:50,710 that you know God has chosen this to 1907 01:26:55,890 --> 01:26:53,340 happen and we shouldn't stand in the way 1908 01:26:58,770 --> 01:26:55,900 you know that's so true and you know 1909 01:27:00,570 --> 01:26:58,780 it's I live in the South now and I mean 1910 01:27:02,820 --> 01:27:00,580 I totally didn't I really did not 1911 01:27:06,660 --> 01:27:02,830 understand it until I lived here and 1912 01:27:08,730 --> 01:27:06,670 I've met people here and how closely 1913 01:27:10,170 --> 01:27:08,740 associated they are with the church and 1914 01:27:12,690 --> 01:27:10,180 how the church is really inserted itself 1915 01:27:16,020 --> 01:27:12,700 into politics in a way that I don't 1916 01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:16,030 think you know I don't think we've mean 1917 01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:17,650 it's been growing I think I and I think 1918 01:27:22,860 --> 01:27:19,570 as I lived on the coast for so long I 1919 01:27:24,750 --> 01:27:22,870 didn't really realize how really deeply 1920 01:27:28,620 --> 01:27:24,760 connected those two things were and how 1921 01:27:30,810 --> 01:27:28,630 people really it really is sort of 1922 01:27:33,090 --> 01:27:30,820 they've merged the politics and it's 1923 01:27:37,950 --> 01:27:33,100 very much like a theocratic kind of I 1924 01:27:40,410 --> 01:27:37,960 mean you know there are shades of you 1925 01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:40,420 know like fundamental like really kind 1926 01:27:44,820 --> 01:27:42,370 of crazy fundamentalism that sort of 1927 01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:44,830 mirrors a lot of the stuff the Jihad 1928 01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:47,260 kind of stuff you know I mean it's not 1929 01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:50,050 quite that extreme yet but you start to 1930 01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:51,760 wonder if it's going to go there because 1931 01:27:55,620 --> 01:27:53,530 it's almost like some people want to 1932 01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:55,630 live in a theocracy you know they don't 1933 01:27:59,850 --> 01:27:58,000 really want to live in a democracy and I 1934 01:28:01,260 --> 01:27:59,860 don't know how you really that's just 1935 01:28:02,970 --> 01:28:01,270 inept in transit too though there's 1936 01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:02,980 Neptune in Pisces it's like those people 1937 01:28:08,250 --> 01:28:05,440 feel empowered to I mean I've heard 1938 01:28:10,620 --> 01:28:08,260 people talking in about the return of 1939 01:28:12,900 --> 01:28:10,630 Jesus and stuff like that in you know in 1940 01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:12,910 public spaces and they really believe 1941 01:28:16,860 --> 01:28:15,280 that and that's you know I understand 1942 01:28:19,050 --> 01:28:16,870 what you know that's their faith and 1943 01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:19,060 everything but I think they really see 1944 01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:22,000 Trump as connected to that somehow and I 1945 01:28:26,610 --> 01:28:24,490 think that's so why their people are so 1946 01:28:28,350 --> 01:28:26,620 emotional about this and it's so 1947 01:28:30,660 --> 01:28:28,360 irrational and they're not really 1948 01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:30,670 looking at who he is and what he 1949 01:28:35,130 --> 01:28:32,170 represents and the things that he does 1950 01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:35,140 because they're so invested in this 1951 01:28:41,100 --> 01:28:37,450 other paradigm and this thing happening 1952 01:28:44,460 --> 01:28:41,110 and they see him as a vehicle for it so 1953 01:28:46,230 --> 01:28:44,470 it's a very I think it's a it's a very 1954 01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:46,240 precarious place friend with some of the 1955 01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:48,880 people because I think even when this 1956 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:50,710 all comes down with Trump I don't think 1957 01:28:53,550 --> 01:28:51,850 those people are just going to go back 1958 01:28:57,180 --> 01:28:53,560 in their box you know what I mean and 1959 01:28:59,580 --> 01:28:57,190 and it's it's gonna be a big it's going 1960 01:29:01,290 --> 01:28:59,590 to be I think I think we're divided now 1961 01:29:04,140 --> 01:29:01,300 but imagine when something like that 1962 01:29:05,970 --> 01:29:04,150 happens how divisive that will be to the 1963 01:29:08,900 --> 01:29:05,980 people that had their heart set on this 1964 01:29:11,220 --> 01:29:08,910 idea of him sort of emancipating 1965 01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:11,230 whatever I don't really understand 1966 01:29:15,540 --> 01:29:13,210 exactly how they believe he's going to 1967 01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:15,550 be bringing on this but I think they 1968 01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:18,250 really have tied him to the blood moon 1969 01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:21,850 stuff and you know a lot of religious 1970 01:29:25,290 --> 01:29:23,650 ideas and a lot of those religious 1971 01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:25,300 fundamentals people have kind of put 1972 01:29:31,860 --> 01:29:29,250 their energy behind him and you know 1973 01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:31,870 it's sort of I think it's something that 1974 01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:34,690 goes back really pretty really I 1975 01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:37,150 remember from you know really the Reagan 1976 01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:39,040 years started kind of creeping in there 1977 01:29:44,460 --> 01:29:42,130 with the you know religious people and 1978 01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:44,470 the right-wing kind of being intertwined 1979 01:29:49,950 --> 01:29:47,440 with the Republican Party and it's just 1980 01:29:53,010 --> 01:29:49,960 gotten more and more entrenched and just 1981 01:29:55,020 --> 01:29:53,020 become more aligned so they've become 1982 01:29:59,280 --> 01:29:55,030 almost like one bottle you know what I 1983 01:30:01,830 --> 01:29:59,290 mean and well also I don't we live in a 1984 01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:01,840 time when people can choose news 1985 01:30:08,630 --> 01:30:04,960 networks that validate their embrace 1986 01:30:11,430 --> 01:30:08,640 people can shoot people can use to 1987 01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:11,440 believe in whatever kind of reality they 1988 01:30:18,980 --> 01:30:16,560 want to based on used to watch yeah yeah 1989 01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:18,990 the news never used to be like that 1990 01:30:23,820 --> 01:30:21,760 before it wasn't done and it's the news 1991 01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:23,830 managed well that's an intro we know 1992 01:30:29,730 --> 01:30:26,880 that the the CIA has been involved in 1993 01:30:33,140 --> 01:30:29,740 leading are asking networks to do 1994 01:30:37,530 --> 01:30:33,150 certain things like a cover-up UFOs for 1995 01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:37,540 example so yeah if the news isn't like 1996 01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:39,280 the news used to be you know you turn 1997 01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:41,650 down Walter Cronkite and there were you 1998 01:30:45,870 --> 01:30:44,560 know like 20 stories so for today and 1999 01:30:48,150 --> 01:30:45,880 now if you just want to hear about 2000 01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:48,160 Donald Trump you know you got your Fox 2001 01:30:53,810 --> 01:30:50,170 not work if you want to hear stuff 2002 01:30:54,930 --> 01:30:53,820 that's anti Trump you've got the MS NB 2003 01:30:57,510 --> 01:30:54,940 NB 2004 01:30:59,970 --> 01:30:57,520 see in you to you tune in to well it's 2005 01:31:01,709 --> 01:30:59,980 not that far different than the UFO or 2006 01:31:06,270 --> 01:31:01,719 paranormal I see that happening in the 2007 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:06,280 UFO field you follow the the individual 2008 01:31:11,939 --> 01:31:08,890 who confirms that your belief system is 2009 01:31:16,020 --> 01:31:11,949 rather than actually making for the 2010 01:31:18,660 --> 01:31:16,030 truth of the matter you know maybe it's 2011 01:31:21,450 --> 01:31:18,670 like if you're into abductions or think 2012 01:31:23,820 --> 01:31:21,460 you've been abduction abducted you go 2013 01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:23,830 out and you find an abduction a 2014 01:31:29,310 --> 01:31:26,530 researcher will verify the claims and 2015 01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:29,320 and hypnotize you and make you tell the 2016 01:31:34,380 --> 01:31:31,930 story or have you tell the story that is 2017 01:31:37,650 --> 01:31:34,390 in your subconscious already if you're 2018 01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:37,660 into the MIB silence or think you've 2019 01:31:41,580 --> 01:31:38,890 been silenced you're either going to 2020 01:31:42,780 --> 01:31:41,590 come to me or Nick Redford because you 2021 01:31:46,740 --> 01:31:42,790 know you're going to get a sympathetic 2022 01:31:48,090 --> 01:31:46,750 ear and if you're into nuts and bolts 2023 01:31:50,820 --> 01:31:48,100 and don't want to hear about anything 2024 01:31:55,050 --> 01:31:50,830 below treetop level you'll go to pardon 2025 01:31:57,030 --> 01:31:55,060 I should say this beautifu all right Tim 2026 01:31:58,050 --> 01:31:57,040 Tim guys I'm gonna have to interrupt you 2027 01:31:59,459 --> 01:31:58,060 here because we got about two minutes 2028 01:32:01,709 --> 01:31:59,469 left to the show and I want to give our 2029 01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:01,719 guests 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